Calculating Total Internal Energy of a System in Thermal Equilibrium

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The discussion revolves around calculating the total internal energy of a system in thermal equilibrium consisting of N particles with two energy states, E1 and E2, separated by an energy ΔE. Participants are tasked with showing a specific expression for total internal energy given certain conditions.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the expressions for the number of particles in each energy state, questioning their correctness and discussing the implications of the energy states assigned to E1 and E2. There are attempts to relate the problem to a simpler analogy involving weights.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided hints regarding the need for correct expressions for N1 and N2, suggesting that the denominators should be the same. Others are clarifying the assignment of energy values to E1 and E2, and there is ongoing exploration of how to derive the total energy expression.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of potential copying errors in the expressions for N1 and N2, which may affect the overall understanding of the problem. Participants are also considering the implications of the energy states on the distribution of particles.

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Homework Statement


Consider a system in thermal equilibrium consisting of N particles that have 2 energy states E1 and E2 separated by an energy ΔE.

Given that $$N_1 = \frac{N}{exp(-ΔE/k_BT)},\,\,N_2 = \frac{N exp(-ΔE/k_BT)}{1+exp(-ΔE/k_BT)}$$ show that in the case of the lowest energy state having energy = 0, that the total internal energy of the system is $$E_I = \frac{NΔE}{1 + exp(ΔE/k_BT)}.$$

The Attempt at a Solution



The first part of this question asked to show that N1 and N2 are indeed representations of the number of particles in each energy state. I think I have this, but I don't know how to prove the above. I said that most likely N2 represents the number of particles in the lowest energy state and everywhere I replaced ΔE = E1. (since E2=0)

Many thanks.
 
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Anyone any ideas?
 
Are you sure you copied the expressions for N1 and N2 correctly? ehild
 
ehild said:
Are you sure you copied the expressions for N1 and N2 correctly?


ehild
Yes, what appears wrong?
 
CAF123 said:
Yes, what appears wrong?

If you add N1 + N2 you should get the total number of particles N. But you can see that your expressions won't produce that. So, you must have copied something incorrectly (easy to do). Hint:The denominators of N1 and N2 should be the same.
 
TSny said:
If you add N1 + N2 you should get the total number of particles N. But you can see that your expressions won't produce that. So, you must have copied something incorrectly (easy to do). Hint:The denominators of N1 and N2 should be the same.

So sorry, the expression for N1 should have denominator 1+ exp(..) instead of just exp(..)
 
CAF123 said:
I said that most likely N2 represents the number of particles in the lowest energy state and everywhere I replaced ΔE = E1. (since E2=0)

E1 should represent the lower energy (E = 0) and E2 should represent the higher energy (E = ΔE).

The thought process for finding the total energy is the same as for the following question. If you had 7 boxes that each weighed 10 N and 5 boxes that each weighed 20 N, what would be the total weight of all the boxes? You just need to use your expressions in place of the numbers and then simplify.
 
TSny said:
E1 should represent the lower energy (E = 0) and E2 should represent the higher energy (E = ΔE).

Why is this the case? Is it just the case that it is likely that more atoms will have non zero energy?

The thought process for finding the total energy is the same as for the following question. If you had 7 boxes that each weighed 10 N and 5 boxes that each weighed 20 N, what would be the total weight of all the boxes? You just need to use your expressions in place of the numbers and then simplify.

We have N2 molecules each with energy E => total energy is N2E = NE exp(-..)/(1+ exp(-..). Multiply top/bottom by exp(+..) and I get the result.
 

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