Calculating Yield Strength using a Load vs. Displacement Curve

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The discussion revolves around calculating yield strength from a Load vs. Displacement curve, particularly in the context of a midterm question. Participants explore the relationship between load, displacement, stress, and strain, and the appropriate offset for determining yield strength in this context.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Gina requests a general procedure for calculating yield strength from a Load vs. Displacement curve, noting the need for an offset similar to the 0.2% used in stress vs. strain curves.
  • One participant explains that the 0.2% offset corresponds to strain and provides a formula relating strain to displacement, suggesting that the equivalent length for the strain offset can be calculated.
  • Another participant raises a question about the assumption of constant cross-sectional area when calculating stress, pointing out that the area decreases as the material is strained, which leads to confusion regarding the application of engineering stress versus true stress.
  • There is a reiteration of the distinction between engineering stress, which uses the original area, and true stress, which accounts for the instantaneous area during deformation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the application of offsets and the implications of using constant versus instantaneous cross-sectional area in stress calculations. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact nature of the offset in Load vs. Displacement curves and the implications of area changes during loading.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the dependence of yield strength calculations on definitions and assumptions about material behavior, particularly concerning the offset and area changes during deformation. There are unresolved mathematical steps related to the application of these concepts.

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Hi,

This question came up on my midterm and I had no idea how to answer it without redrawing the entire curve as a stress vs. strain curve (which obviously took too long to do).

Anyway, I'm just requesting a general procedure, not a numerical answer. If you had a Load (y-axis) vs. Displacement (x-axis) curve, how do you calculate the yield strength? I know for a stress vs. strain curve, you have to have a 0.2% (0.002) offset, but my Professor told me that the offset is not of the same value in a Load vs. Displacement curve (which makes sense).

However ... what <i>is</i> the actual offset supposed to be? Is there a formula to calculate it?

Any help would be very much appreciated! :)

Thank you,
Gina
 
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The 0.2% (0.002) is a value of strain, which is arbitrary, but it covers somewhat the uncertainty of when a given material actually departs from the purely linear (elastic) relationship between stress and strain.

Let l = length, then strain ε = (l - lo)/lo, where lo = original length (usually the gauge length). Also, the displacement, d, is given by (l - lo), so strain ε = d/lo.

Similar the stress, σ, is just the load/force F divided by area A, i.e. σ = F/A, where A is constant until the specimen reaches UTS, which corresponds to the limit of uniform elongation, and necking begins.

Now back to length/displacement -

with ε = (l - lo)/lo, one rewrites the equation as ε = l/lo - 1, and reorganizing the terms, l = lo (1+ε),

so the length equivalent to the strain offset of 0.002 is just l = lo*1.002, or d (0.002) = 0.002 lo.
 
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where A is constant until the specimen reaches UTS, which corresponds to the limit of uniform elongation, and necking begins.

So, if I have the following data:

A = 0.36m2
F = 9800N @ 0.2% offset

Then [sigma] = 9800/0.36 = 2.7*104 Pa ??

I just have a problem regarding the constant area. Wouldn't the cross-sectional area be decreasing while the object is strained (stretched)?
 
General_Sax said:
So, if I have the following data:

A = 0.36m2
F = 9800N @ 0.2% offset

Then [sigma] = 9800/0.36 = 2.7*104 Pa ??

That gives you the Engineering Stress (which is always a function of the original cross-sectional area).

General_Sax said:
I just have a problem regarding the constant area. Wouldn't the cross-sectional area be decreasing while the object is strained (stretched)?

Yes. The stress in this case is called the True Stress and is a function of the instantaneous minimum cross-sectional area of the specimen.

CS
 

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