Calculation of capacitance of conductors

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The discussion revolves around methods for calculating the capacitance of conductors in a 2D space, particularly when the voltage is known between and on the conductors. Participants are seeking a general method suitable for programming an algorithm to determine capacitance values between specific conductors among several.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant requests a general method for calculating capacitance between conductors given the voltage distribution.
  • Another participant provides a formula for capacitance based on the geometry of conductors and dielectric properties, citing a parallel-plate capacitor example.
  • It is noted that the formula is a good approximation under specific conditions, particularly when the separation distance is small compared to the dimensions of the plates.
  • A technique from radio antenna analysis is suggested, involving the calculation of capacitance by considering small segments of conductors and their interactions.
  • A participant mentions programming the formula but reports issues with accuracy, indicating that results are not satisfactory.
  • Concerns are raised about the limitations of the formula when the separation distance is large or when fringing fields have a significant contribution to the overall capacitance.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of agreement regarding the applicability of the capacitance formula, particularly its limitations under certain conditions. There is no consensus on a definitive method for achieving accurate capacitance calculations in the discussed scenario.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations related to the assumptions of the capacitance formula, including the significance of the separation distance and the effects of fringing fields, which may impact the accuracy of calculations.

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Hello,

I would like to get a method for calculation of capacitance of conductors. Let say, I have several conductors in space (2D). I know voltage everywhere between and on conductors, and I need to know the value of capacitance between 2 conductors among several. I'm looking for a general method in order to program an algorithm.
 
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The capacitance is determined by the dimensions of the conductors and the properties of the dielectrics between and around them.

Here is Wikipedias description:

The capacitance can be calculated if the geometry of the conductors and the dielectric properties of the insulator between the conductors are known. For example, the capacitance of a parallel-plate capacitor constructed of two parallel plates both of area A separated by a distance d is approximately equal to the following:

C = \epsilon_{r}\epsilon_{0} \frac{A}{d} (in SI units)

where

C is the capacitance in farads, F
A is the area of overlap of the two plates measured in square metres
εr is the relative static permittivity (sometimes called the dielectric constant) of the material between the plates, (vacuum =1)
ε0 is the permittivity of free space where ε0 = 8.854x10-12 F/m
d is the separation between the plates, measured in metres

The equation is a good approximation if d is small compared to the other dimensions of the plates so the field in the capacitor over most of its area is uniform, and the so-called fringing field around the periphery provides a small contribution


End quote.
A technique that is used to analyse radio antennas is to take small segments of each part of the antenna and calculate the effect of all other parts on that part, and vice versa.

So, if you knew the diameter of a wire, you could take a small section of it and work out the area facing each other section of other conductors and estimate the capacitance.
Wire segments along the same wire could have their capacitances added in parallel.
 


Thanks for reply. I've programmed this formula, resultats lack of accuracy bur anyway it's better that nothing. I've also tried using Gass theorem with calculation of flux for electrical field, results are not better !
 


Yes, even the Wikipedia article I quoted said this:

The equation is a good approximation if d is small compared to the other dimensions of the plates so the field in the capacitor over most of its area is uniform, and the so-called fringing field around the periphery provides a small contribution.

Meaning that it wasn't a good approximation if d, the separation between the plates, measured in metres, was large. And not if the so-called fringing field around the periphery provides a large contribution.

So, these problems might be contributing to the inaccuracy.
 

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