Calculation of Pressure in a Cylinder with an orifice on its surface

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the pressure profile inside a cylinder with an orifice, where the initial pressure is less than the surrounding pressure. The context includes the use of compressible ideal gas assumptions and isentropic mass flow rates, with a focus on modeling the pressure changes over time using MATLAB.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes their approach to modeling the pressure profile using MATLAB, including assumptions about isentropic flow and energy balance.
  • Another participant questions whether the scenario presented is a homework problem.
  • A participant clarifies that they are working on modeling suction in internal combustion engines, indicating practical application rather than academic exercise.
  • One participant suggests that extensive research exists on gas dynamics relevant to the problem and emphasizes the importance of understanding the underlying science before using software tools.
  • Concerns are raised about the trend of relying on software without a solid grasp of the fundamental principles involved in the modeling process.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the appropriateness of the modeling approach and the reliance on software tools. There is no consensus on the validity of the pressure exceeding surrounding pressure or the methodology employed.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include potential assumptions about the behavior of compressible gases, the accuracy of the mass flow rate formula used, and the conditions under which the pressure dynamics are modeled.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals interested in gas dynamics, internal combustion engine modeling, or those working with compressible fluid flow may find this discussion relevant.

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I want to calculate the pressure profile inside a cylinder whose initial pressure is less than the outside pressure and has a orifice on its surface to flow air through it. Air is a considered as compressible ideal gas and mass flow rate across a orifice is assumed isentropic. Also the temperature is assumed same initially in cylinder and surroundings.

I am generating the pressure profile inside the cylinder as a function of time using matlab, the method i followed is I took a small delta_t and calculated the massflow rate using available compressed mass flow rate formula and find the net mass flown into the cylinder and I found the new temperature using the energy balance for open system and using ideal gas equation I found the new pressure.

Now the problem is after some time the pressure inside the cylinder becomes more than the surrounding pressure, Is it possible to have that kind of situation or am I doing something wrong?
 
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Is this a homework problem?
 
No i am working on ic engines suction modelling i face same kind of problem over there
 
(1) The gas dynamics of engines has been researched in great depth and over many years . You should easily be able to find published information which will tell you exactly how to deal with this type of problem .

(2) You would find it very instructive to solve your problem analytically before trying to set it up on MATLAB .

(3) I really worry about the trend which seems to be becoming almost universal now of people trying to solve problems with MATLAB , FEA and other types of solver software when they haven't a clue about the science basics or any real idea of how to set up a realistic model of the system they are dealing with .
 
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