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The discussion revolves around recommendations for rigorous, calculus-based introductory physics textbooks. Participants share their experiences and preferences regarding various textbooks, focusing on conceptual understanding, mathematical derivations, and the suitability of different texts for self-learners.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses dissatisfaction with Wolfson's Essential University Physics, citing incomplete chapters and a need for rigorous mathematical derivations.
  • Another participant suggests several alternative textbooks, including "An Introduction to Mechanics" by Kleppner and Kolenkow, and "Vibrations and Waves" by A.P. French, among others, indicating these cover essential introductory physics topics.
  • Some participants argue that many of the suggested textbooks are similar in content, with a recommendation for more distinct options like Kleppner and Kolenkow or the Feynman Lectures.
  • One participant emphasizes that while "Fundamentals of Physics" by Halliday, Resnick, and Walker is a good reference, it may not provide the conceptual depth desired.
  • There is a mention of an upcoming second edition of Kleppner's book, with a suggestion to preorder it for those interested.
  • Concerns are raised about the cost of the latest editions of textbooks, with advice to consider older editions for similar content at a lower price.
  • One participant suggests that engaging with professors could help bridge gaps in understanding, rather than solely relying on textbooks.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the need for rigorous and conceptually rich textbooks, but there is disagreement regarding which specific texts best meet these criteria. Multiple competing views on the effectiveness of various textbooks remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that the effectiveness of a textbook may depend on individual learning styles and the specific areas of physics being studied. There are also references to the varying levels of rigor and conceptual clarity among the suggested texts.

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I am looking for a rigorous-calculus based introductory physics textbook with very good conceptual presentations. I would like one that provides mathematical derivations and proofs for the formulas and equations using calculus. I have a calculus based textbook, but it is severely lacking. The book is Wolfson's essential university physics and from a student's perspective, I would say most of the chapters are incomplete. I've been searching around and I have found two books that I am looking to buy. The first is Fundamental of Physics by Halliday, Resnick, and Walker; 9th edition. The latter is University Physics by Young and Freedman; 12th edition. The reason I want a new textbook is because I cannot grasp ideas unless I read, study, derive/prove, and practice physics. I am a self-learner and I cannot learn simply by looking or listening someone else do physics, namely, my professor. I have seen and skimmed through the inside of these books and they both look good. However, I have not read them thoroughly. Does anyone have a suggestion or advice on which book I should get? Other book recommendations are also welcomed.

P.S. I probably won't get the newest edition. I will probably get one that's one or two editions old.
P.P.S. Thanks in advanced! :smile:
 
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An Introduction to Mechanics by Daniel Kleppner and Robert J. Kolenkow, Vibration's and Waves by A.P. French, Optics by Eugene Hecht, An Introduction to Thermal Physics by Daniel V. Schroeder, and Introduction to Electrodynamics by David J. Griffiths. Those should cover the bulk of intro physics
 
You're comparing lots of books that are basically the same book. If you want something that's actually different for freshman mechanics, possibilities would include Kleppner and Kolenkow or the Feynman lectures.

The reason I want a new textbook is because I cannot grasp ideas unless I read, study, derive/prove, and practice physics. I am a self-learner and I cannot learn simply by looking or listening someone else do physics, namely, my professor.
None of this has anything to do with picking a textbook.
 
I totally agree with bcrowell in that most of the books you mentioned are nearly identical. The list given by Phizkid is good, although only Kleppner and French are at an intro level. For E&M I highly recommend Electricity and Magnetism by Purcell (especially the 3rd edition revised by David Morin. Morin's book on mechanics is also great, perhaps consider using it alongside kleppner).
 
There is a second edition of Kleppners book coming out, you can preorder on amazon if you don't mind waiting till the end of the year. FoP with walker is a good reference book for equations, but it isn't going to be of much use for conceptual understanding. We used that book in my intro to physics series, its okay, but it's not very rigorous or conceptual. Physics 4th edition, with H&R&Krane I like a bit better, volume's 1 and two cover intro physics. Feynman lectures are great for conceptual ideas.

Also, don't buy the latest edition of FoP, you'll pay a lot more money for something that is basically the same as the previous edition.

Tripler also has a book close to FoP, which is decent again as a reference but not really what you're looking for.

Morins book might be a bit much, depending on where you're at with things.

In all reality though, you should seek to pick your professors brain to help make the connections you seem to be having trouble with.
 
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