Calculus of variation textbook 'not under a single integral'

That sounds like a rather difficult question.In summary, the conversation discusses finding functions that maximize certain criteria, but the problem cannot be solved using a single integral. The speaker asks for recommendations for a textbook or a keyword that covers these types of problems. The other person suggests using the concept of orthogonal basis functions to parameterize the problem and eliminate the need for calculus. The speaker also mentions more complicated problems and asks for a book that describes methods for turning these problems into differential equations. The other person suggests exploring the conditions that lead to equations independent of the choice of function.
  • #1
dIndy
I have to find functions that maximise certain criterea. The problem can however not be put "under a single integral", for example I've to find ##f(t)##, ##g(t)## that maximise:

##
\int_0^{t_e}f(t)^2dt\int_0^{t_e}g(t)^2dt - (\int_0^{t_e}f(t)g(t)dt)^2
##

With ## -1 \leq f(t)\leq1## and ## -1 \leq g(t)\leq 1## for all t

For this problem I can still intuitively guess a solution, such as: ## f(t)=1## for all t and ## g(t)=1## until ##0.5t_e##, afterwards ## g(t)=-1##.

But for more complicated problems I'll no longer be able to guess the solution and will need a proper way to find a solution. Most calculus of variations textbooks I've consulted (such as Gelfand) focus on problems that can be solved with the Euler-Lagrange equation, which I do not think can be applied here?

Does anybody know a textbook that covers these type of problems, or even a keyword that describes these kind of problems? Searching for calculus of variations did not get me far. I come from a life sciences background, so sadly my ability to read something much more complicated than the textbook by Gelfand is limited, but any recommendation is appreciated, thanks!
 
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  • #2
dIndy said:
or even a keyword that describes these kind of problems?

For that particular problem: "Orthogonal basis functions".

Assume ##f(x) = \sum_{i=1}^n a_i p_i(x) ## where the ##a_i## are unknown constants and the ##p_i(x)## are as set of orthogonal basis functions. Assume ##g(x) = \sum_{i=1}^n b_i p_i(x)## where the ##b_i## are unknown constants.
Look at the restrictions that the given equation places on ##a_i## and ##b_i##.

It isn't clear what you mean by "more complicated problems". The general description "Problems of finding the extrema of functions who arguments are unknown functions" seems too vague to pick out a specific branch of mathematics.
 
  • #3
Stephen Tashi said:
For that particular problem: "Orthogonal basis functions".
Thanks, this concept might be quite useful, I did some searching and the solution I guessed in the opening post seems to be a Walsh function. The problem in my opening post was also equivalent to maximising the determinant:

##\det{\begin{vmatrix}\int f(t)^2dt&\int f(t)g(t)dt\\
\int f(t)g(t)dt&\int g(t)^2dt\end{vmatrix}}##

A more difficult problem then could be maximising:

##\det{\begin{vmatrix}\int f(t)^2dt&\int f(t)g(t)dt&\int f(t)g(t)^2dt \\
&\int g(t)^2dt&\int g(t)^3dt\\
& & \int g(t)^4dt\end{vmatrix}}##

Where it would then be ideal if ##f## was not only orthogonal to ##g## but also to ##g^2##, and ##g## to ##g^2##?

Another problem could be when the determinant explicitly depends on ##t##:

##\det{\begin{vmatrix}\int f(t)^2dt&\int f(t)^2tdt\\
&\int f(t)^2t^2dt \end{vmatrix}}##

But I do not want to turn this thread into a homework one for solving these specific problems.

What I was originally looking for was a book that describes methods for turning problems like mine into differential equations (I do not know if this is even possible), similar to how in calculus of variation books maximising ##\int_a^b L(y,y',t)dt## turns into the Euler-Lagrange equation. But then a text for problems that could not be neatly written as a Lagrangian under an integral.
 
  • #4
dIndy said:
Where it would then be ideal if ##f## was not only orthogonal to ##g## but also to ##g^2##, and ##g## to ##g^2##?

The idea isn't to make ##f##, ##g##, ##g^2## orthogonal, but rather to parameterize the problem by expressing the functions as sums of orthogonal functions. (Of course, it may turn out that answers to particular problems do indeed require that ##f## and ##g## be orthogonal to each other.)

For example, if ##f(x) = a_1 p_1(x) + a_2 p_2(x) ## and ##g(x) = b_1 p_1(x) + b_2 p_2(x)## where the ##p_i## are orthogonal and also orthonormal functions on the set (or interval) ##S## then:

##\int_S f(x)g(x)dx = ##
##a_1 b_1 \int_S p_1(x)p_1(x) + a_1 b_2 \int_S p_1(x)p_2(x) + a_2 b_1 p_2(x) p_1(x) + a_2 b_2 \int_S p_2(x) p_2(x) ##
## = a_1 b_1 + 0 + 0 + a_2 b_2 ##

and

##\int_S g^2(x) dx = ##
## \int_S b_1 b_1 \int_S p_1(x) p_1(x) + 2 b_1 b_2 \int_S p_1(x) p_2(x) + b_2 b_2 \int_S p_2(x)p_2(x) ##
## = b_1^2 + 0 + b_2^2 ##

So all the calculus is gone and what's left is algebraic expressions in the unknowns ##a_i, b_i##.
 
  • #5
dIndy said:
What I was originally looking for was a book that describes methods for turning problems like mine into differential equations (I do not know if this is even possible), similar to how in calculus of variation books maximising ##\int_a^b L(y,y',t)dt## turns into the Euler-Lagrange equation

We could think about that.

My recollection of the calculus of variations is that one defines a "variation" of the unknown solution ##f(x) ## to be the function ##\delta f = f(x) + \alpha v(x)## where ##\alpha## is a "small" constant and ##v(x)## is an arbitrary differentiable function that is 0 at x = a and x = b. The manipulations used in the calculus of variations arrive at a differential equation for ##f(x)## that does not depend on the specific choice of ##v(x)##. So we'd have to understand what conditions in a more general problem would lead to equations independent of the choice of ##v(x)##.
 

1. What is calculus of variations?

Calculus of variations is a branch of mathematics that deals with finding the function that minimizes or maximizes a certain functional. It involves finding the extremal of a functional, which is the function that makes the functional stationary.

2. What is the difference between "under a single integral" and "not under a single integral" in a calculus of variation textbook?

When a functional is written under a single integral, it means that the extremal of the functional can be found by solving the Euler-Lagrange equation. However, when a functional is not under a single integral, it means that other methods must be used to find the extremal, such as the method of variation of parameters.

3. Is a calculus of variation textbook "not under a single integral" more advanced than one "under a single integral"?

Not necessarily. Both types of textbooks cover different methods and techniques for finding the extremal of a functional. However, a textbook "not under a single integral" may require a deeper understanding of calculus and advanced mathematical concepts.

4. Can a calculus of variation textbook "not under a single integral" be used for practical applications?

Yes, a calculus of variation textbook "not under a single integral" can still be used for practical applications. In fact, some problems may require the use of methods that are not under a single integral, making this type of textbook useful for real-world applications.

5. Are there any online resources or tutorials available for studying calculus of variation "not under a single integral"?

Yes, there are various online resources and tutorials available for studying calculus of variation "not under a single integral". These include video lectures, interactive demonstrations, and practice problems to help students better understand the concepts and techniques involved.

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