Can a Square Tank with Thin Walls Withstand Pressure for Oil Collection?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the feasibility of using a square tank with thin walls to withstand pressure for the purpose of collecting and transferring used oil. It includes considerations of pressure dynamics, material strength, and legal implications regarding pressure vessels.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes a square tank with specific dimensions and wall thickness, questioning the viability of using a pressure lid to facilitate oil transfer.
  • Another participant suggests that the tank may work but raises concerns about whether it can withstand both air pressure and the hydrostatic pressure of the oil.
  • A participant expresses uncertainty about how to calculate the force per unit area and the hydrostatic pressure, indicating a need for further information on these concepts.
  • One participant warns that the pressure a flat sheet of steel can withstand is minimal, suggesting that exceeding 1 or 2 psi could lead to permanent deformation of the tank walls.
  • This participant also emphasizes the importance of adhering to ASME code for pressure vessels, noting that pressurizing the tank beyond certain limits could be illegal and dangerous.
  • There is a recommendation against pressurizing the square tank, suggesting that using a pump would be a safer alternative for oil removal.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the safety and feasibility of pressurizing the tank, with some suggesting it may work under certain conditions while others strongly advise against it due to potential risks and legal issues. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific calculations and safety measures needed.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in understanding the necessary calculations for pressure dynamics and the legal implications of using a non-compliant pressure vessel. There is also uncertainty regarding the material properties of the tank walls under pressure.

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i have a pre made tank approx dimemsions 3x3x3 feet the thickness of tank walls appear to be 3/16 to 1/4 inch thick. with a 1foot square opening on top for filling this opening had a raised "wall" approx 2inches. tank is used to collect used oil for shop heating. (this tank looks like a resturant tank that's in back to collect the cooking oil) currently useing a pump to move oil to and from(way to slow) thinking of have a "pressure" lid made with an air hose quick disconnect to blow/push oil from tank to storage vessel. suggestions? will this idea work?
 
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Yes, it may work. Will the tank withstand the air pressure (force per unit area) plus the hydrostatic pressure of the contents?
 
i am not sure...what do i need to find to answer the..force per unit? do i need sq ft of thesides? and not sure what to ask about the hydrostatic pressure? the contents (oil) will be in the thickness or weight of 90w gear oil in warmer months and thicker in colder (winter) months
 
Hi straws. It sounds like you have a square or rectangular tank with flat sides that are made from sheet metal. Even with the thickness you have, the amount of pressure a flat sheet of steel can withstand is minimal. It's on the order of 1 or 2 psi at best. Much more than that and it will permenantly deform and begin to take on the shape of a ball. You can analyze stresses using equations here:
http://www.roymech.co.uk/Useful_Tables/Mechanics/Plates.html
Look at rectangular flat plates.

With 1 or 2 psi inside the box, you won't get much flow. And if you plan on pressurizing the box with a source of compressed air, there should be some way to prevent the pressure from rising above some safe level. It simply won't be able to take much more than a few psi before the sides begin to permenantly deform.

On a legal note, most states in the US have a law that requires vessels meet ASME code and the code defines what a vessel is which has been adopted by the states. If this box is pressurized to 15 psi or more, it would be considered a pressure vessel per the code and since it doesn't comply with ASME code, it would be illegal to pressurize it to that level per state law and you could be fined. Note that this box would probably explode with that much pressure in it anyway.

I'd suggest not trying to pressurize a square box at all. Use a pump if you need to remove oil from it.
 

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