Can a type K thermocouple be used with cryo?

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The discussion centers on the use of type K thermocouples in cryogenic applications, specifically addressing their accuracy and reliability at low temperatures, such as those encountered with liquid nitrogen. Participants explore calibration methods and the potential issues associated with using thermocouples in cryogenic environments.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the limitations of type K thermocouples at cryogenic temperatures and suggests that calibration with liquid nitrogen and ice could allow for accurate measurements from 0°C to -200°C.
  • Another participant acknowledges that while type K thermocouples can be used, they are generally not preferred for cryogenic temperatures due to various issues, recommending alternative sensors like silicon diode sensors instead.
  • There is speculation about whether the metals or alloy junctions in thermocouples might become superconductors at cryogenic temperatures and how this could affect the Seebeck effect and calibration.
  • A later reply clarifies that very few metals become superconducting at the temperatures relevant to the discussion (liquid nitrogen), and that most thermocouple materials would require much lower temperatures to exhibit superconductivity.
  • One participant points out a potential error in the sensitivity claim for type K thermocouples on a referenced webpage, suggesting that the sensitivity value may have been misstated.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the suitability of type K thermocouples for cryogenic applications, with some advocating for their use under certain conditions while others argue for alternative sensors. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific limitations and calibration methods for type K thermocouples in this context.

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Participants note that the accuracy of type K thermocouples at cryogenic temperatures may depend on calibration methods and the specific materials used in their construction. There is also mention of potential errors in sensitivity claims that could affect the discussion.

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Hi.

I can not understand why type K tc can not be used with cryogenic temperatures?

If for example calibrated with liquid nitrogen and ice, can it be used from 0 C to -200 C accurately?

I understand that there is a non-linear characteristic a lower temperatures, but then one could make a voltage-to-temp plot by calibrating against ice, liquid nitrogen, solid ice, etc.. and obtain a curve.

Does the inaccuracy arise simply because they are usually calibrated with ice and boiling water only, then linear interpolation/extrapolation line is drawn, OR is there something else that I am missing?
 
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Maybe the metals or the alloy junction are superconductors at cryogenic temperatures.

Does the Seebeck effect vanish, or the calibration change, in superconductive metals?
 
Baluncore said:
Maybe the metals or the alloy junction are superconductors at cryogenic temperatures.

Does the Seebeck effect vanish, or the calibration change, in superconductive metals?

No, not at the temperatures mentioned in the OP (liquid nitrogen). There are very few metalsa/alloy that become superconducting even at liqduid helium temperatures (Nb, NbN, Pb and some alloys); there are none at liquid nitrogen temperatures.
For the type of metals that thermocouples are made you typically have to go to mK temperatures; and not all metals become superconducting even then.
 
The Lakeshore link has an error (I think): The page claims a Type K sensitivity of 4.1 mV/K @ 20K. I think they meant 'uV.'
 
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