Can a voltmeter read micro-volts?

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The discussion revolves around the feasibility of measuring microvolt signals, specifically in the context of a mechanical engineer's experiment to detect small pressure drops across a microchannel. Participants explore the capabilities of voltmeters, the necessity of amplifiers, and the selection of appropriate sensors for such low voltage measurements.

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  • Some participants assert that analog voltmeters cannot measure microvolt levels, while others suggest that digital voltmeters may also struggle with such low values.
  • There is a proposal that an amplifier may be necessary to make the microvolt signals measurable, though the specific requirements of the sensor are questioned.
  • One participant mentions that certain voltmeters can measure down to 100nV without an external amplifier, but these devices tend to be expensive.
  • Concerns are raised about the unknown specifications of the sensor, including its voltage supply needs and output type, which could affect measurement accuracy.
  • Suggestions for using a benchtop preamplifier, such as the Stanford Research SR560, are made to facilitate measurements with standard multimeters.
  • Historical context is provided regarding the use of Valve Voltmeters (VVMs) that could be sensitive enough for such measurements, emphasizing the need for calibration and low-pass filtering.
  • One participant highlights the potential for temperature gradients along wires to generate microvolt signals, suggesting that the sensor might be more easily excited with AC for amplification.
  • There is a discussion about the practicality of spending significant amounts on specialized equipment versus obtaining a more suitable sensor that outputs a measurable voltage range.

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Participants express differing views on the capabilities of voltmeters and the necessity of amplifiers, indicating that multiple competing perspectives exist regarding the best approach to measure microvolt signals. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific requirements and characteristics of the sensor in question.

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Limitations include the lack of detailed specifications for the sensor being discussed, which affects the ability to determine the appropriate measurement techniques and equipment. Uncertainties about the sensor's output type, voltage supply, and range are noted as critical factors in the discussion.

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I am a mechanical engineer who is doing an experiment to measure a pressure drop across a microchannel, the sensor is measuring around 30 microvolt/mmHg which is very low value. I would like to know if the voltmeter can read this small value or not and if not what are the alternatives so I can detect such small pressure drops.
 
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Mohamed_Wael said:
the sensor is measuring around 30 microvolt/mmHg which is very low value. I would like to know if the voltmeter can read this small value or not
Analog voltmeters can't read this small value. I don't know about digital voltmeters, but I don't think they can either. You need to add an amplifier to your circuit to amplify the voltages to a measurable scale.
 
Yes, microvolts can be measured. But you should select your sensor so you don't need to.
Maybe your sensor needs an amplifier, maybe your sensors range is 200bar (so ~5 Volts at FSD), maybe it's broken, find the data sheet to find out.

There are 20,0000 presure sensors sold by Mouser alone, so they come in many many flavours and many are cheap as chips, it's not worth wasting your time with the wrong sensor.
 
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billy_joule said:
Yes, microvolts can be measured. But you should select your sensor so you don't need to.
Maybe your sensor needs an amplifier, maybe your sensors range is 200bar (so ~5 Volts at FSD), maybe it's broken, find the data sheet to find out.

There are 20,0000 presure sensors sold by Mouser alone, so they come in many many flavours and many are cheap as chips, it's not worth wasting your time with the wrong sensor.
thanks for your answer, actually we need to measure this low voltage because we have very small pressure drop just 10 mmHg ! can you suggest an amplifier because my background is mechanical and not electrical.
thanks
 
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No I can't, we don't even know if it needs one. Maybe it needs 30 volts supply? Maybe it needs 1 Volt? Maybe the output is digital? Or frequency? Or current? Maybe the reading is so low because it's made to measure high pressures? (In which case you'll never get any accuracy at your required range).

Like I said, find the data sheet to find out.

If you can't identify the sensor and find it's data sheet then forget it, if you don't know it's range, accuracy, min pressure reading, max pressure reading, supply voltage, max over pressure rating, output type, temperature correction, media compatibility etc etc you're wasting your time. You'll either break it or get rubbish results.
 
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You can get voltmeters that can measure down to about 100nV without an external amplifier. However, they do cost quite a lot (we mainly use Keithley sourcemeters, really good but quite expensive).
If you want a "benchtop" preamplifier for this application you could e.g. buy a Stanford Research SR560; this will amplify the signal enough for you to be able to just use a normal benchtop multimeter to do the actual measurement.

Measuring signals at the level of microvolts is not very difficult if you have the right equipment.
 
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http://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/145829/do-digital-multimeters-require-calibration said:
As all circuits will drift with time, the DMM will need to be periodically re-calibrated to ensure that it is operating within its specification.
 
cnh1995 said:
Analog voltmeters can't read this small value.
Ahhh. That statement early places you in the younger generation. :smile: Many decades ago, we had Valve Voltmeters (VVMs) which could be made as sensitive as you liked. They had extremely high input impedance and, as long as you were prepared to calibrate them every day and use a low pass filtering to iron out the low frequency noise they worked. The display, of course, was Analogue.
 
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f95toli said:
You can get voltmeters that can measure down to about 100nV without an external amplifier. However, they do cost quite a lot (we mainly use Keithley sourcemeters, really good but quite expensive).
If you want a "benchtop" preamplifier for this application you could e.g. buy a Stanford Research SR560; this will amplify the signal enough for you to be able to just use a normal benchtop multimeter to do the actual measurement.

Measuring signals at the level of microvolts is not very difficult if you have the right equipment.
But is it a reasonable to suggest spending ~$2500USD on a preamp just to use this sensor? The OP clearly has no idea what sensor he has, maybe it requires 30VDC and he's providing 1VDC, maybe it'll output 5V at 200 bar, maybe his testing at 10mm Hg has already burst the diaphragm, who knows.
You can buy a temperature compensated, calibrated, sensor accurate to 2% for about $20, it'll output a nice, easy to measure 0 to 5V signal (or whatever other signal you'd like) in whatever pressure range you'd like. Spend $100 and you can get 0.2% accuracy. Trying to use the current sensor without a datasheet is a waste of time and money.
 
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Temperature gradient along a wire creates tens of microvolts of DC as does different metals at connections.

Hopefully OP's sensor can be excited with AC which will be a lot easier to amplify with a modern precision opamp.

If he'd post the link to his sensor it would make things easier.

A question well stated is half answered.

His question boils down to "How do i measure 300 microvolts?" .
The wiseguy answer would be "With a microvoltmeter."
http://www.omega.com/pptst/DP3520-PA.html

Mohamed_Wael said:
very small pressure drop just 10 mmHg
that's 5 inches of water
your washing machine can measure that.
Here's a "how it's done" type article for signal conditioning.
http://cache.freescale.com/files/sensors/doc/app_note/AN1668.pdf
 
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