Can an Order-Preserving Injection Exist from w1 to the Reals?

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Homework Statement


Show that there does not exist an order-preserving injection from the ordinal \omega_1 to the reals (given the usual order).


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Suppose such an injection exists. Then something bad happens. Maybe the fact that w1 is well-ordered?
 
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