Can light excite an electron from ground state to a higher state?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around whether light, specifically visible light, can excite an electron from the ground state to a higher energy state in an atom. Participants explore the conditions under which electrons can absorb energy and transition between quantum levels, including the role of different wavelengths of light.

Discussion Character

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  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions if light can excite an electron from the ground state to a higher state, noting that electrons can absorb discrete energy amounts to leap to new quantum levels.
  • Another participant states that while isolated hydrogen atoms cannot absorb visible light to jump to a higher state, other types of atoms may be able to do so.
  • It is suggested that the term "light" in textbooks may refer to electromagnetic radiation in general, rather than specifically to visible light.
  • A participant seeks clarification on whether the original question was about photons or electrons transitioning to higher states.
  • One participant confirms that visible light can be absorbed, explaining that the wavelengths an atom can absorb depend on the bandgaps between electron orbitals.
  • There is a clarification regarding the definition of the ground state, with a participant noting that n=1 is the ground state.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the ability of visible light to excite electrons in various atoms, indicating that while some agree on the possibility in certain contexts, others highlight limitations specific to isolated hydrogen atoms. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the general applicability of visible light for electron excitation.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the specific conditions under which different atoms can absorb visible light, as well as the definitions of ground and excited states that may vary between contexts.

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can "light" excite an electron from ground state to a higher state?

An electron of a particular atom can absorb a discrete amount of energy, leap to a new quantum level, and then jump back down to lower states (emitting photons). My understanding is that going from n=2 to the ground state a photon with a frequency of UV or greater will be emitted. Several textbooks state that electrons can absorb "light" and jump to a higher state. Is it possible for an electron to jump to a higher state (from the ground state) by absorbing visible light?
 
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kjamha said:
Is it possible for a photon to jump to a higher state (from the ground state) by absorbing visible light?
Not in isolated hydrogen atoms, but in other kinds of atoms, yes.
 


There is no difference between UV and visible light except for their wavelengths. I suspect your textbooks mean EM radiation when they mention "light" and not specifically visible light.
 


kjamha said:
Is it possible for a photon to jump to a higher state (from the ground state) by absorbing visible light?

Wait, was that question meant to ask about 'photons' or 'electrons' in a ground state jumping to higher states?
 


my_wan, I meant electron - Thanks
 


Cool. Yes visible light can also be absorbed. What wavelengths an atom can be absorbed depends on the bandgaps between available and used electron 'orbitals' to appropriately or not imply a quasi-classical picture. The colors of objects are defined by the colors that are not absorbed.
 


kjamha said:
going from n=1 to the ground state

n=1 is the ground state. :wink:
 


thank you jtbell!
 

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