Can Methane and Citric Acid be Balanced in a Redox Reaction?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around balancing a redox reaction involving methane and citric acid, specifically focusing on the transformation of both reactants into carbon dioxide. The scope includes theoretical aspects of redox reactions and oxidation states.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that methane is oxidized by citric acid, leading to the formation of carbon dioxide from both reactants.
  • Another participant questions which carbon's oxidation number is being referenced, indicating a potential miscalculation in the initial analysis.
  • A later reply acknowledges the miscalculation and suggests that both half-reactions are actually oxidation reactions, leading to confusion about the overall reaction's validity.
  • Another participant clarifies that oxidation numbers can vary for different atoms within a molecule, challenging the initial statement about the oxidation number change.
  • It is suggested that while it is theoretically possible to have a redox reaction involving both substances, the spontaneity of such a reaction is doubtful.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the calculations of oxidation states and the nature of the reactions involved. The discussion remains unresolved as participants explore different interpretations of the redox process.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the clarity of oxidation states for different carbons in citric acid, and the spontaneous nature of the proposed redox reaction is questioned but not definitively resolved.

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Please post this type of questions in the HW section using the template.
Hi there:

I'm trying to balance a reaction in which methane is oxidized by citric acid in solution. Both methane and citric acid will be transformed into carbon dioxide. To begin, I checked that the reaction is indeed a redox reaction.

C6H8O7→CO2

So, I calculated the oxidation number for carbon goes from +6 to +4. A reduction.

CH4→CO2

I calculated the oxidation number for carbon goes from -4 to +4. An oxidation. This seems reasonable so far. Then, I balanced my half-reactions.

C6H8O7+5H2O→6CO2+18H++18e-

CH4+2H2O→CO2+8H++8e-

Now comes the part that has me baffled. How do I combine these half-reactions and not end up with loads of electrons since they are on the right hand side of both half-reactions?! Clearly, I've done something very wrong. Any help would be appreciated.
 
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Danny.Boy said:
So, I calculated the oxidation number for carbon goes from +6 to +4

Which carbon?
 
Borek said:
Which carbon?
I meant the citric acid carbon, but clearly I've miscalculated. Consequently, both half reactions are actually oxidation reactions and the overall reaction is nonsensical.
 
Danny.Boy said:
I meant the citric acid carbon

Oxidation number is a property of a single atom, it is quite possible for different atoms of an element to have different oxidation numbers in the molecule, hence your initial statement didn't make much sense

Technically it is not impossible to both oxidize the methane and reduce the citric acid at the same time, producing a "redox reaction". I doubt it would be spontaneous though.
 

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