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The discussion revolves around solving a first-order differential equation given by dy/dx = (-5x + 10y)/(9x) with the initial condition y(1) = -2. The original poster expresses curiosity about the topic despite not being enrolled in a differential equations class.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the nature of the differential equation, questioning whether it is separable and exploring the implications of integrating both sides. There is also a suggestion to use a variable change to simplify the equation.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, with some offering guidance on methods such as checking for separability and using integrating factors. There is acknowledgment of the need for a variable change, which may lead to a separable form of the equation.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of homework constraints, specifically the requirement to use a variable change as part of the solution process. Some participants express confusion about the relationship between the derivative and the function itself.

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Homework Statement



I'm not taking a de class, just curious.

dy/dx = (-5x+10y)/(9x)

y(1) = -2

Use appropriate variable change to solve initial value problem.

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So, I'm given the derivative of function y, and want to know the actual function, with the condition that the original function when evaluated for 1 is negative 2, right?

So, I integrate it, but I have two variables. What should I do?
 
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Well, you have two variables so you might guess that you're going to have to do two different integrals :)

Typically the first line of attack is determining if a problem is what is called separable. In other words can you get your first order DE to look like

[itex]f(y)dy = f(x)dx[/itex]

At this point you would normally integrate both sides and then solve for y(x) with your initial conditions.

I don't think this ones separable, though and the next method is using integrating factors. I suggest checking out http://www.khanacademy.org for some nifty videos on solving DEs
 
So, I'm not allowed to just write it as a function of x? I figured that would be okay since the two variables are just x and y like any normal function, no extra one.
 
What do you mean?
 
If the derivative is:

y = (-5x + 10y) / (9x)

Isn't that the same as

y = (5x) / (9x-10)?

Is that allowed?
 
No, that's not right

[itex]y'(x)=(-5x+10y)/9x[/itex]

THAT is the derivative. y'(x) and y(x) aren't the same thing.
 
I figured that made the difference. thanks for the links!
 
Since the problem says to use a variable change, you can try u = y/x, then the resulting DE becomes separable.
 
Bohrok said:
Since the problem says to use a variable change, you can try u = y/x, then the resulting DE becomes separable.

oops didn't even notice that part of the question!
 

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