Can someone solve this complex number equation for x and y

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The discussion revolves around solving a complex number equation involving real quantities x and y. Participants explore various methods to isolate x and y from the equation, which leads to polynomial forms that require further manipulation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the equation (ix)(1+iy)=(3x+i4)/(x+3y) and expresses difficulty in isolating x and y.
  • Another participant suggests showing the work done so far to facilitate further discussion.
  • A participant details their approach of rationalizing the left-hand fraction and grouping real and imaginary parts, leading to two equations based on the equality of real and imaginary components.
  • Another participant proposes a cross-multiplication method, simplifying the equation to (4y-3x) + (x² - 4)i = 0, indicating a potential mistake in the previous approach.
  • One participant notes that the equations can be expressed as polynomials and suggests a relationship y=(3/4)x to eliminate y in one of the equations for solving x.

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Participants present multiple approaches and methods for solving the equation, indicating that there is no consensus on a single method or solution. Disagreements about the correctness of specific steps and the identification of potential mistakes remain unresolved.

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Participants express various assumptions and dependencies on the manipulation of complex numbers and polynomials, but these aspects are not fully resolved within the discussion.

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If x and y are real quantities what are the solutions for x and y

(ix)(1+iy)=(3x+i4)/(x+3y)

I have tried grouping the equation into two equal complex numbers but have failed to find a solution which isolates x and y from the two quite long polynomial equations.

Does anybody know how to do this.
 
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Your approach sounds fine. Show us what you did so far.
 
(xi)/(1 + yi) = (3x + 4i)/(x + 3y)

First rationalized the left hand fraction.

(xi)/(1 + yi) * (1 - yi)/(1 - yi) = (xi -yxi^2)/(1 + y^2)

= (yx + xi)/(1 + y^2)
Grouped real and imaginary terms

[ yx/(1 + y^2) ] + [ x/(1 + y^2) ]i

Then grouped real and imaginary terms on the right hand fraction

(3x + 4i)/(x + 3y) = [ 3x/(x + 3y) ] + [ 4/(x + 3y) ]i

Set the two complex numbers equal

[ yx/(1 + y^2) ] + [ x/(1 +y^2) ]i = [ 3x/(x + 3y) ] + [ 4/(x +3y) ]i

Take the two imaginary parts to be identical
Take the two real parts to be identical

[ yx/(1 + y^2) ] = [ 3x/(x +3y) ]
[ x/(1 + y^2) ] = [ 4/(x + 3y) ]

Expressing both fractions as polynomials

(yx)(x + 3y) = (3x)(1 + y^2)
(x)(x + 3y) = (4)(1 + y^2)

Then multiplying out both equations in x and y

1. yx^2 + 3y^2x = 3x + 3xy^2

2. x^2 + 3yx = 4 +4y^2

Grouping terms on one side to form two equations that equal zero.

1. yx^2 + 3y^2x - 3x - 3xy^2 = 0

2. x^2 +3yx - 4 - 4y^2 = 0

Now trying to find some way of dealing with these terms.
 
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Hmm, let's just cross multiply and simplify:

(xi)/(1 + yi) = (3x + 4i)/(x + 3y)
(xi)(x + 3y) = (3x + 4i)(1 + yi)
x²i + 3xyi = 3x + 4i + 3xyi - 4y
x²i = 3x + 4i - 4y
(4y-3x) + (x² - 4)i = 0

That doesn't look so bad does it?
I suspect you made a mistake somewhere, but I haven't figured out where yet.
 
Expressing both fractions as polynomials

(yx)(x + 3y) = (3x)(1 + y^2)
(x)(x + 3y) = (4)(1 + y^2)
Note that you can write these two equations as
\begin{align*}
\frac{x(x+3y)}{1+y^2} &= \frac{3x}{y} \\
\frac{x(x+3y)}{1+y^2} &= 4
\end{align*}So you have y=(3/4)x. You can plug use that to eliminate y in one of the equations and solve for x.

Or you can do it the way ILS did it.
 

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