Can the Doppler Effect Explain Redshift in Light?

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The discussion centers on the Doppler effect and its relation to redshift in light as perceived by an observer moving at relativistic speeds. Participants clarify that while the speed of light remains constant, the observed wavelengths can shift, with movement towards a light source resulting in a blue shift rather than a red shift. The conversation emphasizes the counterintuitive nature of light speed invariance, which is a fundamental aspect of Einstein's special relativity. It is noted that the principles of special relativity and Lorentz transformations help reconcile these observations. A video resource is shared to aid in understanding these complex concepts.
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I do not fully understand the Doppler effect in light.
A theoretical question:

If I was traveling near the speed of light, towards a source of light. Would all the wavelengths in the visible spectrum be shortened and therefor, everything shifting towards red?

I thought the speed of light was supposedly constant, no matter the relative velocity of the observer.
 
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Combsbt said:
If I was traveling near the speed of light, towards a source of light. Would all the wavelengths in the visible spectrum be shortened and therefor, everything shifting towards red?
The observed wavelengths will be shorter, which means a shift towards blue.

I thought the speed of light was supposedly constant, no matter the relative velocity of the observer.
The speed is constant. It's the observed wavelength that changes, not the speed.
 
Oh yeah, red is longer wavelength...

What I don't understand is how the speed of the wave propagation can remain constant relative to the observer. It seems that if you are moving towards the source, your relative velocity would be higher.
 
Combsbt said:
What I don't understand is how the speed of the wave propagation can remain constant relative to the observer. It seems that if you are moving towards the source, your relative velocity would be higher.
That the speed of light is independent of the speed of the source or observer is counterintuitive. It requires special relativity to make sense of it all.
 
Oh I see, so that property is an assumption.
 
Combsbt said:
Oh I see, so that property is an assumption.

No, it's an observation.
 
Vanadium 50 said:
No, it's an observation.

Einstein said:
"The insight fundamental for the special theory of relativity is this: The assumptions relativity and light speed invariance are compatible if relations of a new type ("Lorentz transformation") are postulated for the conversion of coordinates and times of events... The universal principle of the special theory of relativity is contained in the postulate: The laws of physics are invariant with respect to Lorentz transformations (for the transition from one inertial system to any other arbitrarily chosen inertial system). This is a restricting principle for natural laws..."

Einstein seemed to think differently.
 
Einstein assumed the constancy of the speed of light in deriving the special theory of relativity. Since then it has been tested (observed) experimentally in various ways. The link below refers to many of them.

Experimental Basis of Special Relativity
 
Combsbt said:
Einstein seemed to think differently.

Rather than playing word games and "quote the physicist", I think your time would be better spent understanding the physics, rather than the connotation of the word. There are already many sources (and many threads on here) on why the simple Galilean addition of velocities will not work at relativistic speeds.

Zz.
 
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Found a video on youtube with a visual explanation of special relativity. Seemed to clear some things up for me with my original question. Here it is if anyone is interested.

_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2VMO7pcWhg&feature=related
 
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