Can the Maximum Efficiency of a Thermal Cycle Be 2/5?

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The discussion centers on the maximum efficiency of a thermal cycle, specifically questioning if it can reach 2/5. Participants analyze the work done (W) and heat transfer (Q) using equations involving pressure (P) and volume (V) changes. They derive an expression for W/Q and explore the implications of setting certain variables, like p1 and V0, to zero to achieve the maximum efficiency. The conclusion suggests that the maximum value of 2/5 is attainable under specific conditions. The conversation emphasizes the importance of factoring expressions in terms of Δp and ΔV for clarity.
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a) Leg 4 and Leg 1 W=P_0(V_1-V_0)+P_1(V_0-V_1)
b) Leg 4: Q= C_v*ΔT=C_v*ΔP*V_0/nR = 3/2*(V_0*P_0-V_0*P_1)
Leg 1: Q=C_p*ΔT=C_p*P_0*ΔV/nR = 5/2*(P_0*V_1-P_0*V_0)
Q=3/2*(V_0*P_0-V_0*P_1)+ 5/2*(P_0*V_1-P_0*V_0)
c) W/Q = [P_0(V_1-V_0)+P_1(V_0-V_1)] / [3/2*(V_0*P_0-V_0*P_1)+ 5/2*(P_0*V_1-P_0*V_0)]
No idea how to get 2/5
 

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Please try to factor your expressions and also to express as much as possible in terms of ##\Delta p## and ##\Delta V##.
 
Chestermiller said:
Please try to factor your expressions and also to express as much as possible in terms of ##\Delta p## and ##\Delta V##.
Ok..
I got W/Q = ΔpΔV / ((3/2)*Δp*V0 + (5/2)*ΔV*P0). I don't know how to continue because I can't see any constraint on the variables...
 
Clara Chung said:
Ok..
I got W/Q = ΔpΔV / ((3/2)*Δp*V0 + (5/2)*ΔV*P0). I don't know how to continue because I can't see any constraint on the variables...
Much better. Now, if I write ##p_0=p_1+\Delta p##, I obtain:
$$\frac{W}{Q}=\frac{\Delta p\Delta V}{[\frac{5}{2}\Delta p\Delta V+\frac{5}{2}p_1\Delta V+\frac{3}{2}V_0\Delta p]}$$
Does this give you any ideas?
 
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Chestermiller said:
Much better. Now, if I write ##p_0=p_1+\Delta p##, I obtain:
$$\frac{W}{Q}=\frac{\Delta p\Delta V}{[\frac{5}{2}\Delta p\Delta V+\frac{5}{2}p_1\Delta V+\frac{3}{2}V_0\Delta p]}$$
Does this give you any ideas?
I try to divide the numerator and denominator by \Delta p\Delta V, so 1/ (5/2 + 5/2 p-1/ \Delta p + 3/2 * V_0/\Delta V) , because \Delta p and \Delta V are positive, the maximum value 2/5 occurs when p_1 and V_0 = 0?
 
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I try to divide the numerator and denominator by \Delta p\Delta V, so 1/ (5/2 + 5/2 p-1/ \Delta p + 3/2 * V_0/\Delta V) , because \Delta p and \Delta V are positive, the maximum value 2/5 occurs when p_1 and V_0 = 0?
Yes. They can both approach zero. See your diagram.
 
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