Can the reals be characterized by topological properties?

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The discussion centers on whether the real numbers can be characterized by their topological properties, specifically in relation to ordered fields and concepts such as completeness and connectedness. The scope includes theoretical aspects of topology and ordered fields.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that the reals can be determined as the smallest connected ordered field up to isomorphism.
  • Another participant asserts that the reals are the unique complete ordered field, noting that completeness is a topological property in the Euclidean metric.
  • A different viewpoint suggests that any ordered field can be considered connected using the trivial topology.
  • Further contributions indicate that under the standard Euclidean metric, properties like the least upper bound property, monotone convergence, and the Cauchy Criterion are equivalent to the connectedness of the real numbers.
  • One participant mentions that both connectedness and the Heine-Borel theorem can be shown to be equivalent to the aforementioned properties, given the Euclidean metric.
  • A clarification is made regarding the implied topology, suggesting that the order topology was intended in the discussion.

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Participants express differing views on the implications of topological properties for the characterization of the reals, with no consensus reached on the characterization itself or the implications of various topologies.

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There are limitations regarding assumptions about the topology being used, particularly the distinction between the trivial topology and the order topology, which may affect the conclusions drawn about connectedness and completeness.

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Specifically, can they be determined (up to isomorphism of ordered fields) as the smallest connected ordered field?
 
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They are the unique complete ordered field. Completeness is a topological property (complete in the euclidean metric).

Any ordered field can be considered connected if one simply uses the trivial topology.
 
Given the standard Euclidean metric, then yes, properties such as the "least upper bound property", "monotone convergence", and the "Cauchy Criterion", all equivalent to "completeness", can be proven from the fact that the Real numbers are connected. As matt grime said, any set is connected in the trivial topology (where the only open sets are the empty set and the entire set).

Actually, both connectedness and the Heine-Borel theorem (that all closed and bounded sets are compact) can be shown to be equivalent to mono-tone convergence, least upper bound property, and Cauchy criterion. That is, given any one, you can prove the others. (Again, assuming the Eucliden metric: d(x,y)= |x- y|.)
 
I thought it would be clear that the topology implied would be the order topology.

Anyway, thank you both.
 

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