Can you measure the amplitude of a specific light wave?

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The discussion revolves around the measurement of the amplitude of light waves (or electromagnetic waves) and its implications regarding energy levels and frequency. Participants explore both theoretical and practical aspects of measuring amplitude, as well as the relationship between amplitude and photon behavior.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the amplitude of an electromagnetic wave can be defined as the amplitude of the electric field, measured in volts per meter.
  • Others mention that for lower frequencies, such as radio waves, amplitude can be measured using an antenna.
  • There is a question about whether the amplitude of a single wave can be measured, indicating uncertainty about measurement techniques.
  • One participant explains that the energy of a photon is proportional to its frequency, suggesting a connection between amplitude and energy levels.
  • Another participant notes that for light, intensity is measured in watts per square meter and is proportional to the square of the amplitude.
  • Concerns are raised about introducing photons into the discussion, with some arguing that classical wave models are sufficient for understanding amplitude.
  • Clarifications are provided regarding the definition of amplitude, emphasizing that it does not refer to spatial size but rather to the strength of the electric and magnetic fields.
  • Participants discuss the behavior of electromagnetic waves in relation to obstacles, questioning how amplitude relates to wave transmission through openings.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relevance of photons in discussing amplitude, with some advocating for a classical perspective while others consider quantum implications. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the measurement of a single wave's amplitude and the implications of amplitude in relation to energy and frequency.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about measurement techniques and the definitions of amplitude and intensity. The relationship between amplitude and photon behavior is also not fully resolved.

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Hello world,

I'm currently in my last year of high school and only just getting interested into quantum physics, still learning new things every day. I was wondering if there's a way to measure the specific amplitude of a light wave(Or electromagnetic wave) and what this says about the wave (does it maybe have something to do with its energy level/frequency??)

The 2nd thing I was wondering that if you can say certain electro magnetic waves have say an amplitude of 2 mm and they meet a hole of half that size, 1mm all around, do only some of the light waves pass through or none at all?

I'm sorry if this isn't the place to ask these questions, I'm kind of new on these forums,

I wish you all a great day,

Jakob
 
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The amplitude of an electromagnetic wave can be given as the amplitude of the electric field. It is expressed in units of volt per meter.

For frequencies that are not too high (radio waves), this can be measured with an antenna.
 
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PietKuip said:
The amplitude of an electromagnetic wave can be given as the amplitude of the electric field. It is expressed in units of volt per meter.

For frequencies that are not too high (radio waves), this can be measured with an antenna.

Thanks for the reply, can the amplitude of a single wave be measured however?
 
NoemMijJakob said:
I was wondering if there's a way to measure the specific amplitude of a light wave(Or electromagnetic wave) and what this says about the wave (does it maybe have something to do with its energy level/frequency??)
Welcome to this forum, Jakob

Light waves consist of photons. The energy of a photon is proportional to its frequency - roughly speaking its color. With blue more energetic that red.
If your wave does not have too many photons in it, it might be possible to could those photons as they strike a detector. In that case, the total energy of the wave would have been the energy per photon times the number of photons.
 
The amplitude of radio waves can be measured. For broadcasting stations, those are typically millivolts per meter. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signal_strength

For light, one measures the intensity, in watts per square meter. It is proportional to the square of the amplitude.
 
.Scott said:
Light waves consist of photons.
Generally one should be very cautious about introducing photons into the discussion when the classical wave model of light is sufficient to answer the question. It is almost never correct to think of light as consisting of photons unless explicitly quantum mechanical effects are involved.

Here the question is about the amplitude of the wave, and it is measured using either of the two methods suggested by PietKuip. Photons don't come into the picture at all.
 
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Nugatory said:
It is almost never correct to think of light as consisting of photons unless explicitly quantum mechanical effects are involved.
The first statement in the OP was an expressed an interest in "quantum physics". The title also asked about a "specific light wave" although the OP said he was also looking for the "specific amplitude". Perhaps I over-interpreted.
 
NoemMijJakob said:
I was wondering that if you can say certain electro magnetic waves have say an amplitude of 2 mm and they meet a hole of half that size, 1mm all around, do only some of the light waves pass through or none at all?

Just to make clear: the amplitude of an electromagnetic wave does not refer to a spatial size transverse to the beam direction. It refers to the strength of the field, measured in volts/meter for the electric field, or in tesla for the magnetic field. The electric field at a given fixed point in the wave starts at zero, increases to some maximum strength in one direction, decreases back to zero, increases to the maximum strength in the opposite direction, decreases back to zero, and repeats the cycle. Likewise for the magnetic field.

The sinusoidal graphs that you typically see for an electromagnetic wave are a graphical representation of how the strength of the field varies. Nothing literally moves in a sinusoidal fashion through space.
 
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jtbell said:
Just to make clear: the amplitude of an electromagnetic wave does not refer to a spatial size transverse to the beam direction. It refers to the strength of the field, measured in volts/meter for the electric field, or in tesla for the magnetic field. The electric field at a given point in the wave starts at zero, increases to some maximum strength in one direction, decreases back to zero, increases to the maximum strength in the opposite direction, decreases back to zero, and repeats the cycle. Likewise for the magnetic field.

The sinusoidal graphs that you typically see for an electromagnetic wave are a graphical representation of how the strength of the field varies. Nothing literally moves in a sinusoidal fashion through space.

Thanks! This really clarifies things for me.
 

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