Out of phase light/photons, would it be measurable?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the concept of out-of-phase light and whether it can be measured, particularly in the context of destructive interference. Participants explore the theoretical implications of creating two light sources that are 180 degrees out of phase and how this might affect measurements of light intensity and energy. The scope includes theoretical considerations, experimental setups, and comparisons to sound wave behavior.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that if two light sources are exactly out of phase, they would cancel each other out at a measurement point, leading to a measurement of zero intensity, despite the photons still being present.
  • Another participant counters that destructive interference at one location would result in constructive interference at another, indicating that energy cannot simply disappear.
  • A third participant explains that interference with light is achievable and provides examples, such as dielectric mirrors and photolithography, where overlapping beams can create complex interference patterns.
  • One participant reiterates the initial claim about light not behaving like sound, but another challenges this by referencing the use of interferometers to achieve destructive interference with light.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the behavior of light in terms of interference. While some assert that light can exhibit destructive interference similar to sound, others emphasize that energy conservation principles prevent complete cancellation of light energy.

Contextual Notes

The discussion involves assumptions about the nature of light and interference, as well as the conditions under which measurements are made. There are unresolved questions regarding the practical implementation of the proposed experimental setup and the implications of phase differences in light waves.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those studying optics, wave behavior, or experimental physics, particularly in the context of interference phenomena and measurement techniques.

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With sound you can create out of phase signals and they cancel out, this is not possible with light as it does not interact like sound does.

If it was possible to create two light sources in that were exactly 180 degrees out of phase with each other and aim them at a common point (eg an isosceles triangle, the two points of identical angle are the light source, the 3rd point is the measurement point) regardless of the distance from the source to the point on which they combine the wavelengths would appear to cancel would they not? If they were of identical frequency and amplitude they would never depart from each other and would continue to appear "cancelled" at every point of measurement despite the photons still being there and containing energy.

The light would not be coherent until the meeting point, this is the point upon which you would attempt to measure the frequency/amplitude. Would it appear to be zero?

How would you actually produce an experiment like this, eg how could you lag the phase of a light signal, does it even make sense to attempt something like that?

The reason for the question is I'm wondering if you could hide the fact a device/experiment is releasing energy by making all measurements appear null.
 
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rolls said:
would continue to appear "cancelled" at every point of measurement despite
No, if you have destructive interference at one location then you will have constructive interference at another location.

The geometry you describe is the standard geometry for a double slit experiment. But with the regions of constructive and destructive interference swapped.
 
Interference like you describe is not difficult with light. The very thing you describe: creating co-propagating waves out of phase so that they cancel everywhere is exactly how dielectric mirrors work. Overlapping multiply reflected beams traveling forward cancel everywhere, so the beam has no choice but to reflect. Actually the interference is constructive for the reflected beam. As Dale points out, this is a fundamental principle. The energy can't just disappear. No arrangement of interference can make the beam eliminate itself. What's lost in destructive interference has to show up somewhere in constructive interference.

The case you describe of bringing beams together at an angle to interfere at an overlap point is how polar illumination in a photolithography machine makes the nm scale features on your computer chip. However due to the angle you don't get cancelation across the focal plane. You get modulation. Technically interference is how all photography and in fact all optics work.

There are examples of light engineering for interference all around. Iridescent paint, the diffractive optic element on your laser pointer that makes a funny shape, the hologram on your credit cards.
 
rolls said:
With sound you can create out of phase signals and they cancel out, this is not possible with light as it does not interact like sound does.

Er...yes it does!

Send a beam into an interferometer, adjust one arm of the interferometer so that you get a destructive interference, and voila!

Zz.
 

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