Can You Predict the Line Spectrum of a Mixture of Two Elements?

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To predict the line spectrum of a mixture of two elements, such as hydrogen (H) and helium (He), one typically combines the emission lines of both elements. However, this approach assumes there are no interactions between the species in the mixture. In reality, interactions can shift energy levels and lead to new absorption or emission lines due to energy transfers between states. The specific conditions of the experiment, including the method of preparation and the physical state of the mixture, significantly influence these interactions. For a mixture of H2 and He, interactions are minimal and can often be neglected, allowing for a straightforward combination of spectral lines. Understanding these principles is crucial for accurately interpreting spectral data, particularly for beginners in the field.
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I understand that there are atomic spectra for the elements, but how do you predict the line spectrum of a mixture of 2 elements like a H-He mixture? Must you combine the lines from both elements?
Thanks.
 
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Are you talking about something like fluorescence spectroscopy?
If I understood what you're asking correct I think one should get the the emission lines of the invidual elements and the intensities of the peaks tell you the relative compositions.
 
Hello,
That wolud be only in the case that there aren´t any interactions between both of the species in the mixture. Probably the energy levels of the species would became shifted by the presence of each other.

There also can be energy transfers between different states of the species. That would lead to new lines of absorption or emmision. Although I can´t tell you nothing about the case you´re talking about (H, He).
Preparation and study of atomic H is not easy. Interactions between them would depend on the conditions of the experiment: method of preparation of atomic H, pressure and expansion dynamics (rate of collisions), composition of the mixture.
 
The activity that will be done in class is similar to this one, except different elements will be used and a computer program:
http://www.smgaels.org/physics/home/lab/lab4/Spectral_Lines_Lab3.htm
But one of the prediction questions with the H-He is the same (#5).
I hope these examples might make my inquiry crystal-clear.
Also, I'm a bit lost on your explanations with the peaks since I'm a beginner. :blushing:
 
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altered-gravity : There's no atomic H in this situation.

Soaring crane : You should have said the mixture was H2-He. The interaction between molecules here is really small and can be neglected to first order. A mixture of two species will show (under these conditions) the spectral lines of both species. Are you able to answer Q3 in this lab ? Unless you can, the lab is essentially pointless.
 
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