Can You Solve This Hilarious Limit Problem Involving Sine and Infinity?

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  • #101
alfredblase said:
no, your argument is lame
Only if you 'lame' you mean 'correct'

This is a version of the Monty Hall problem, explained here:

http://www.comedia.com/hot/monty.html
 
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  • #102
bah not convinced, I trust my argument and the judgment of Alkatran over yours, Joffe's and that random webpage. I sahll repeat my argument for the readers benefit.

Before he asks the guard he knows one of the other prisoners is guilty. He can discard that prisoner from the system. He is left with himself and one of the other prisoners; 1 prisoner + 1 prisoner = 2 prisoners. Since the chances of survival are equal for both, and since one of them is going to be executed, then the probability of survival = 1/2.

He could have calculated all of this BEFORE asking the guard. Now when he asks the guard all he is doing is discarding one of the prisoners, something he could have done before asking him. So the calculation of his chances of survival remains the same, i.e he has a fifty percent chance of survival. His chances of survival were 0.5 all throughout the story. Nuff said.
 
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  • #103
Joffe said:
The guy who asked the question differs from the other because he was not involved in the selection.

I understand now. A has more information, but it doesn't help his odds, it helps the other inmate's odds. To make sure of this, I wrote a simple little program:

Code:
int main() {
  int a, b, n;
  int data[3];
  int asum = 0, osum = 0;
#define size 1000
  for (b = 0; b < size; b++)  {
    for (a = 0; a < 3; a++)
      data[a] = 0;
    for (a = 0; a < 2; a++)
      do {
        n = (int)(rand() * 2);
      } while (data[n] = 1)
    
    osum += (data[2] == 1) ? data[1] : data[2];
    aSum += data[0]
  }
  printf("Asker chance: %f, other chance: %f\n", asum, osum)
  return 0;
}

The output makes it pretty clear: the asker dies 2/3 of the time and the one who isn't pointed to dies 1/3 of the time.
 
  • #104
When I first read the explanation I thought it meant C+log cabin i.e. a place where Dutchmen live.
 
  • #105
OMG this is a great "brain teaser" and I think it contains something very deep about statistics. Like a good little physicist after my ally alkatran left me all alone I decided to experiment. The results are conclusive. I describe the experiment in the following paragraph. Please repeat the experiment yourself.

I made three squares and labelled two with a G for guilty, and one with an I for innocent, then folded them, then put them in a hat. There were three very little squares in the hat. So if I were to pick one of the squares and assign that to the main man, and I repeated the experiment 100 times, roughly 1/3 times the main man would be innocent.

Now I take one of the squares out and assign it to the main man. I don't look at the paper. Now I play the part of the guard. So I look at both papers remaining and remove one with G on it from the hat. Now I put the main mans paper back in the hat along with the other paper the guard didnt remove. What am I left with? One paper with I and one paper with G. This would be the outcome every time no matter how many times I repeat the excersise. If I were to then remove one paper and assign it to the main man, and repeated the experiment 100 times, roughly half the time the main would be guilty and roughly half the time innocent. There's no argument against this experiment is there??

So wow, statistics is odd.
 
  • #107
Just to clarify, a 2-teapot is homeomorphic to the surface of a torus. If you remove the lid, it's the surface of a double torus*.

*which has very interesting homotopy groups, I'm trying to calculate them right now...
 
  • #108
Actually, you can argue with your experiment, because you did it wrong.

To explain your problem: IF the main man is guilty (1/3 of the time), then only one of the other guys is guilty, and the guard HAS to point to him. He will point at him 100% of the time. So 1/3 of the time this situation occurs, and the not-pointed-to guy gets off free. Your experiment, however, does not account for the fact that the guilty man must always be chosen: your experiment has the guard choosing among the other two ~50/50 ALL the time.

Let us analyse that. This case, which obviously occurs 1/3 of all times (and as is borne out by your experiment with no removals), leads to the not-pointed-to, not-main guy being innocent. The main guy is, by assumption, guilty.

IF the main man is not guilty (2/3 of the time), then the other guys are BOTH guilty. The guard can point at either of the other men. Now the odds are 50/50 which of these two will be selected.

Let us analyse this. This case, which occurs the other 2/3 of all times, leads to the not-pointed-to, not-main-guy as being guilty. The main guy is, by assumption, not guilty.

THEREFORE, the not-pointed-to guy is guilty 1/3 of the time, the pointed-to guy is guilty ALL the time, and the main man is guilty 2/3 of the time.

Or think of it like this, in a much less-rigorous way: all three have a 2/3 chance of being guilty to start with. When the guy is pointed-to, he gets an additional 1/3 chance of being guilty. Somebody has to donate that 1/3 chance, and that has the other guy, since the guard was NEVER going to point at you so you weren't involved in that selection.

Or simply: If main guy is guilty, then the guy not pointed to is always innocent. Therefore, if you are NOT the main guy AND the guard doesn't point at you, you've increased the chances that YOU are innocent -- if you were guilty, he'd point at you half the time, if you were not guilty, he'd NEVER point at you, and combine half with never and you get something LESS than half.

A more analogous experiment that you could try is to pick the innocent guy out of the hat FIRST, then remove one of the guilty, non-main guys, then see how often the main guy was innocent and how often the not-pointed-to not-main guy was innocent. After all, in the example, the guard knew which one was innocent even before the main guy asked.

Even better, if you know anything about computer programming, you can make a simple program to convince you. The program randomly determines who is guilty, and you play the role of the main guy. You hit enter, the computer tells you (choosing at random if necessary) one of the other guys who is guilty, then you hit enter again and see who is actually guilty. There's one already made here:

http://chrisc.freeshell.org/random/pages/montyhall.html

ALTHOUGH given your bias against random webpages it could just be a conspiracy to give you the wrong answer and not ACTUALLY an instantiation of the code shown on that page.

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Before ignoring a website as "random" you might want to read what it says -- it does not matter how credible that site is, if the reasoning is sound.

But maybe you trust wikipedia more? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monty_Hall_problem

Or a math site?
http://mathforum.org/dr.math/faq/faq.monty.hall.html
http://mathworld.wolfram.com/MontyHallProblem.html

Or the site whose very URL refers to the problem in question?
http://www.montyhallproblem.com/

Honestly, I'm not sure what kind of website you were expecting. The CIA?

In general, don't believe everything you see on the Internet, but also don't disbelieve everything just because it's on the Internet, at least not without a second look when a majority of people are telling you you are wrong.
 
  • #109
alfredblase said:
bah not convinced, I trust my argument and the judgment of Alkatran over yours, Joffe's and that random webpage. I sahll repeat my argument for the readers benefit.
But, surely you have to trust Marilyn Mach vos Savant! She holds the record for the highest IQ score, ever. :biggrin:

See the discussion under http://www.wiskit.com/marilyn.html or check the link titled "Behind Monty Hall's Doors" towards the bottom of the page.

Edit: Oops, my bad. I inadvertantly directed you to the "Marilyn is Wrong!" website with link above. I meant to direct you to the http://www25.brinkster.com/ranmath/marlright/ website - check out "The Monty Hall Problem".
 
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  • #110
Ok I read a few of those sites, I can see the argument but I disagree with it. And you can't argue that someone wrote a program "proving" anything. The program is based on your understanding of the problem. If you have a preconcieved way of setting up the problem in programing language, then of course the program will give you the answer you imagined it would. I think one of the links from the wikipedia article you gave me, although arguing against my opinion, illustrates how a reasonable argument could be set up arguing for my point of view.

http://www.angelfire.com/trek/nfold/monty.html

This is my version of his over easy proof. The player chooses A at first.

.....A...B...C
case 1...0...(0...1)
case 2...0...(1...0)
case 3...1...(0...0)
case 4...1...(0...0)

case 1: Monty opens B, switch succeeds
case 2: Monty opens C, switch succeeds
case 3: Monty opens B, switch fails
case 4: Monty opens C, switch fails

In two out of the four cases the switch succeeds, and in 2/4 cases the switch fails. So there.

Anyway, the ONLY way to really know for sure is to carry out an EXPERIMENT like physicists do. Not using a computer program but setting up the scenario physically say 1000 times and seeing the results. I still can't see how my experiment wasn't ok; I think you misunderstood what I wrote or something... it seems perfectly simple to me.

I mean FGS! if someone offers you a choice between two doors (that is what is done when you are offered the chance to switch), one of which hides a goat and the other a car what are the chances you will make the right decision??! COME ON people!
 
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  • #111
You shouldn't take into account the action of the gameshow host. Which door he opens doesn't matter, but which door YOU choose does, since those 3 choices have equal probabilities.

This has been debated to death, the chances of winning are 2/3 when you switch and the argument is very very simple:
Suppose you decide to switch.
Picking the right door means you will lose, since you then switch to a wrong door.
Picking a wrong door means you win, since you will switch to the correct door.
Because you have 2/3 chance your initial guess is wrong, you have a 2/3 chance of winning if you switch.
 
  • #112
alfredblase said:
Ok I read a few of those sites, I can see the argument but I disagree with it. And you can't argue that someone wrote a program "proving" anything. The program is based on your understanding of the problem. If you have a preconcieved way of setting up the problem in programing language, then of course the program will give you the answer you imagined it would. I think one of the links from the wikipedia article you gave me, although arguing against my opinion, illustrates how a reasonable argument could be set up arguing for my point of view.
http://www.angelfire.com/trek/nfold/monty.html
This is my version of his over easy proof. The player chooses A at first.
.....A...B...C
case 1...0...(0...1)
case 2...0...(1...0)
case 3...1...(0...0)
case 4...1...(0...0)
case 1: Monty opens B, switch succeeds
case 2: Monty opens C, switch succeeds
case 3: Monty opens B, switch fails
case 4: Monty opens C, switch fails
In two out of the four cases the switch succeeds, and in 2/4 cases the switch fails. So there.
I don't really understand what those 1's and 0's are supposed to represent and I don't know what exactly you mean by 'succeed' and 'fail', but in any event I believe you are mistaken. Monty will never open a door that contains the prize, and he can't change where it is. Surely you agree that the odds of the player chosing the prize on the first try are 1/3. Clearly whatever anybody does after that can not affect the fact that there was a 1/3 chance that the prize was behind that door.

Now what happens when the host opens a door? Suppose he chooses one of the other doors at random. Then if there is no prize behind the door he opens, you have gained information about the probability of there being a prize behind your door: If the prize wasn't behing your door it would be less likely for the host to choose a door without the prize behind it than if it was. This changes the probability that a prize is behind your door.

But suppose we know beforehand that the host will pick a door that does not have the prize behind it. Obviously the chances of picking the door with the prize on the first try are 1/3. Obviusly this does not change when another door is revealed not to have the prize, since we knew that was going to happen in the first place. Now the chances that your door has the prize are still 1/3 while the chances that the prize is in the open door have dropped to zero. Since there are no other possibilities, the probability that the other door has the prize must be 2/3.

alfredblase said:
Anyway, the ONLY way to really know for sure is to carry out an EXPERIMENT like physicists do. Not using a computer program but setting up the scenario physically say 1000 times and seeing the results. I still can't see how my experiment wasn't ok; I think you misunderstood what I wrote or something... it seems perfectly simple to me.
Actually, that is not true. The only way to know for sure is to come up with a mathematical proof. There is always a finite probability that that statistical data are misleading you when you carry out a process a finite number of times. The probability may get very small that you are being mislead, but you will never know for certain.
 
  • #113
alfredblase said:
Ok I read a few of those sites, I can see the argument but I disagree with it. And you can't argue that someone wrote a program "proving" anything. The program is based on your understanding of the problem. If you have a preconcieved way of setting up the problem in programing language, then of course the program will give you the answer you imagined it would.

...

Anyway, the ONLY way to really know for sure is to carry out an EXPERIMENT like physicists do. Not using a computer program but setting up the scenario physically say 1000 times and seeing the results. I still can't see how my experiment wasn't ok; I think you misunderstood what I wrote or something... it seems perfectly simple to me.

This is frustrating -- these are world-class mathematicians and professionals who have laid this out point by point.

First of all, you can't disagree with mathematical proof, and if you do, you aren't reading it right. And yes, you can argue that somebody wrote a program proving stuff. It's identical to carrying out a physical experiment. What's the difference? Anyway, the experiment should carry no preconceptions if done properly and exactly as outlined in the problem. But this is solvable by pure math, anyway.

Your experiment wasn't okay because you didn't account for the fact that the guard will NEVER choose the guy who is innocent, even if it isn't the main guy. You just chose at random.

Your wikipedia example fails; here's why:

.....A...B...C
case 1...0...(0...1)
case 2...0...(1...0)
case 3...1...(0...0)
case 4...1...(0...0)
case 1: Monty opens B, switch succeeds
case 2: Monty opens C, switch succeeds
case 3: Monty opens B, switch fails
case 4: Monty opens C, switch fails
In two out of the four cases the switch succeeds, and in 2/4 cases the switch fails. So there.

Hello? Look at cases 3 and 4...they are the *same*. it should read:

case 1...0...(0...1)
case 2...0...(1...0)
case 3...1...(0...0)
case 1: Monty opens B, switch succeeds
case 2: Monty opens C, switch succeeds
case 3: Monty opens either B or C (at random), switch fails

What you seem to be missing is that Monty chooses which door to open AFTER the door that the car is behind is determined -- AFTER the cases. The fact that he has a choice after the chooser chose the car door does not magically make it more likely that the chooser chose the car door in the first place.

I mean FGS! if someone offers you a choice between two doors (that is what is done when you are offered the chance to switch), one of which hides a goat and the other a car what are the chances you will make the right decision??! COME ON people!

If somebody offered me a choice of TWO doors, then it's 50/50. I was not offered a choice of two doors. I was offered a choice of THREE doors.

I already knew that at least one of the other doors had a goat behind it. The guy revealed it, but that did not tell me anything new -- I already knew that one of those doors had a goat behind it, and those doors are basically indistinguishable. Essentially, when I'm switching at the end, I'm saying "I think there's a car behind one of the two doors I *didn't* pick in the first place".

Imagine this. Say there are a billion doors. You choose one, Monty Hall opens nine hundred ninety nine million, nine hundred ninety nine thousand, nine hundred ninety eight doors with goats behind it. You now have your door, and another door. Do you *really* believe that this proves that your door is right 50% of the time? Because what that means is that ANY guess you make at the billion doors, any at all, is right 50% of the time (because no matter what you guess, the requisite number of other doors can ALWAYS be opened...it does not even matter if they ARE opened or not). Does that make sense? Do you win the lottery 50% of the time?

Or put it this way. A billion doors. You choose one. Monty Hall ALWAYS says, you are either absolutely right and you chose the correct door, OR, it is this other door that he points out. You can then choose the other door that he points out.

Is it really 50/50? Remember, 100% of the time, when you make the initial choice, Monty Hall reduces it to two. Do you really guess the right door the first time, out of a billion, half the time?

If you do, can I have your lottery numbers?
 
  • #114
:blushing: ok guys and gals, I am going to bow down. I like Galileo's explanation and it sounds very reasonable and simple to me. Since his reasoning, as far as I can percieve, is at least as valid as mine, and since I have trustworthy accounts from trustworthy sources that there is overwhelming experimental evidence in the form of computer program code and readouts, I will accept the very high probabilty that my experiment was faulty, and that the orthodox arguments are correct. This also means that I have realized that an unbiased program can reproduce the real thing (in terms of statistics).

I apologise if I have caused any of you tear your hair out in frustration :shy:

I appreciate your patience and repeated, good natured efforts to make me see the light. hehe :-p

Here's a crummy maths joke to compensate

I will prove that girls are evil:

Girls mean money*time
time equals money
money is the root of all evil
therefore girls are evil
 
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  • #115
No harm done. I was also sort of impatient with you...it's exam time, you see.

In the spirit of your joke:

Stupid people will always make more money.

Proof:

By definition,

Power = Work / Time

Rearranging:

Time = Work / Power

Time IS Money, and Knowledge IS Power, so substituting:

Money = Work / Knowledge

Therefore, as knowledge goes to 0, money goes to infinity, regardless of the work being done (if Work > 0 and it is impossible to have negative knowledge).
 
  • #116
Monty Hall problem. Non-mathematical(ish) explanation.

The key to the answer to this problem is that Monty knows the answer.

When you make your choice of 3 doors you are in effect dividing the doors into two groups - yours and Monty's.

He has more twice as many doors, so it is twice as likely that he has the correct door.

He will always show the goat, so by switching you get to choose the best of his group - which is twice as likely to have contained the goat as your original selection.
 
  • #117
I remember hearing a story on another forum at one point where a high school math club of some sort made t-shirts which imitated the anti-drug commercials. Here's the design: http://img236.imageshack.us/img236/6195/integrals9tr6uo.jpg

I found it extremely funny the first time I saw it. :)
 
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  • #118
Your experiment wasn't okay because you didn't account for the fact that the guard will NEVER choose the guy who is innocent, even if it isn't the main guy. You just chose at random.

Your.Master

Although I still admit the orthodox explanation is the correct one due to overwhelming experimental evidence, the statement concerning where you think my experiment went wrong is incorrect. As the guard I did not just choose one of the papers at random, (after removal of the randomly chosen main man paper). As the guard I looked at both of the other prisoner's papers and removed one that was guilty. So we have still to ascertain where my experiment went wrong.
 
  • #119
How many people got executed while you were collecting your overwhelming experimental evidence?
 
  • #120
Actually the easiest way to convince people the argument is wrong is to increase the number of people. Would so many people take it seriously if it read it read:

"A thousand prisoners, strangers to each other, were suspects of a murder case. One day they came to hear that a sentence has been drawn. Nine hundred and ninety nine of them have been found guilty and will be executed, but they don't know which nine hundred and ninety nine. One guy, a statistician, figures his chances for survival are 1/1000, so he goes to the bars of his cell and hails the guard: "Hey psst, do you know which of us has been sentenced?".
"Eh, yes.", says the guard, "But I'm not allowed to tell you.".
"Tell you what", says the guy, "I already know that 999 of us will executed, that means at least 998 of the other guys will be. I don't know them or anything, surely you can point to 998 which are guilty?". The guard sees no harm in that and points 998 of the prisoners, "They are guilty".
"Thanks!", proclaims the statistician, "my chances have just increased to 1/2".
 
  • #121
Number Lover said:
I remember hearing a story on another forum at one point where a high school math club of some sort made t-shirts which imitated the anti-drug commercials. Here's the design: http://img236.imageshack.us/img236/6195/integrals9tr6uo.jpg

I found it extremely funny the first time I saw it. :)

That's a nice one.

For everyone else, keep the jokes coming. :rolleyes:
 
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  • #122
The experimental evidence I keep banging on about is in the form of computer programs apparently written by many in this forum. One of the major advances that Newton made in science, in my opinion, is that he was a pioneer of the system of looking at experimental results, and THEN making arguments, laws, equations, to fit the theory, not the other way round. You guys seem to think your argument would hold true if experiments told you otherwise. However it seems that experiment bears out your argument, and so it is the correct argument. That is the only reason I accept it over my old argument, which to me seems as logical and reasonable as the argument I now believe in.
 
  • #123
http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/4050/unfindxlol12fb.png
 
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  • #124
Angles and Angels

Not exactly a joke...but happened often when I was in grade 3 when we were introduced to a bit "advanced" geometry like points, segments, angles etc.

A common typo made by students is instead of writing "Angle ABC" they write "Angel ABC".
 
  • #125
Another limerick:

Pi goes on and on and on ...
And e is just as cursed.
I wonder: Which is larger
When their digits are reversed?
 
  • #126
That's not a limerick.
 
  • #127
Descartes walks into a bar.

The waitress says, "can I get you something?"

Descartes says, "I think not," and promptly disappears.
 
  • #128
Here's one that we actually saw in a pre-calculus class.

Upon learning that <br /> \lim_{x\rightarrow 8} <br /> \frac{1}{(x-8)^2}<br /> = \infty<br />

the class was asked to consider <br /> \lim_{x\rightarrow 3} <br /> \frac{1}{(x-3)^2}<br />.

One student raised his hand and said, "m".

Of course, I guess the answer could also be "\omega"
 
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  • #129
BSMSMSTMSPHD said:
Here's one that we actually saw in a pre-calculus class.

Upon learning that <br /> \lim_{x\rightarrow 8} <br /> \frac{1}{(x-8)^2}<br /> = \infty<br />

the class was asked to consider <br /> \lim_{x\rightarrow 3} <br /> \frac{1}{(x-3)^2}<br />.

One student raised his hand and said, "m".

Of course, I guess the answer could also be "\omega"

if it was intended to be an omega that's pretty clever..
 
  • #130
Originally Posted by rhj23
if it was intended to be an omega that's pretty clever..

Yeah - I never thought of that. The actual joke requires a sideways 5, but I didn't have enough imagination to create that symbol.
 
  • #131
http://www.maths.uwa.edu.au/~berwin/humour/invalid.proofs.html#TopPageAnchor
 
  • #132
Q: How do you make one burn?
A: Differentiate a log fire!
 
  • #133
These integrals are sweet!
\int dy
\int_{-C}^y dt

Q: What is a proof that is based on two prior results called?
A: A dilemma.


"Once I thought I was capable of making mistakes, but then I found out I was wrong."
 
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  • #134
Why are mathematicians convergent?
Because they are monotonic and bounded!
 
  • #135
Funny, I've always seen myself as just being Cauchy...
 
  • #136
I really like the following one which I got from SimonSingh.net. Not sure if its a "bad math joke" :)

Two mathematicians are in a bar. The first one
says to the second that the average person
knows very little about basic mathematics.
The second one disagrees, and claims that most
people can cope with a reasonable amount
of mathematics.

The first mathematician goes off to the washroom,
and in his absence the second calls over the waitress.
He tells her that in a few minutes, after his friend has
returned, he will call her over and ask her a question.
All she has to do is answer "one third x cubed."

She repeats "one thir -- dex cue"?

He repeats, "one third x cubed".

She asks, "one thir dex cubed?"

"Yes, that's right," he says.

So she agrees, and goes off mumbling to herself,
"one thir dex cubed...".

The first guy returns and the second proposes a bet
to prove his point, that most people do know something
about basic mathematics. He says he will ask the blonde waitress
an integral, and the first laughingly agrees. The second man
calls over the waitress and asks "what is the integral of x squared?".

The waitress says "one third x cubed" and whilst walking away,
turns back and says over her shoulder "plus a constant!"
 
  • #137
What's the square root of 69?

8-something.
 
  • #138
tony873004 said:
What's the square root of 69?

8-something.

That's so wrong! :smile:
 
  • #139
That's terrible.

Conversation Starter #176
One theme that comes up in many of my lectures is "The Fourth Dimension: It's not just 'time' anymore." To illustrate, I tell the story of the herb distributor who wanted to use a vector space to keep track of orders. There would be one coordinate for parsley, one for sage, one for rosemary, and one for oregano--because the fourth dimenstion isn't just thyme anymore. The reaction of the class? Well, let's just say their groans give my story yet another dimension.
-Tom Banchoff, Brown University
(From 777 Mathematical Conversation Starters)

Keep 'em coming :biggrin:
 
  • #140
-What,s purple and Commutative?----> An Abelian Grape

-What,s the contour integral over all Western Europe?---> 0 because all the "Poles" live in Eastern Europe.
 
  • #141
Now here's one I really LOVE (especially the first few lines):
"At New York's Kennedy airport today, an individual later discovered to be a public school teacher was arrested trying to board a flight while in possession of a ruler, a protractor, a setsquare, a slide rule, and a calculator.

At a morning press conference, Attorney General John Ashcroft said he believes the man is a member of the notorious Al-Gebra movement. He is being charged by the FBI with carrying weapons of math instruction.

"Al-Gebra is a fearsome cult," Ashcroft said. "They desire average solutions by means and extremes, and sometimes go off on tangents in a search of absolute value. They use secret code names like 'x' and 'y' and refer to themselves as 'unknowns,' but we have determined they belong to a common denominator of the axis of medieval with coordinates in every country.

"As the Greek philanderer Isosceles used to say, there are three sides to every triangle," Ashcroft declared.

When asked to comment on the arrest, President Bush said, "If God had wanted us to have better weapons of math instruction, He would have given us more fingers and toes.

"I am gratified that our government has given us a sine that it is intent on protracting us from these math-dogs who are willing to disintegrate us with calculus disregard. Murky statisticians love to inflict plane on every sphere of influence," the President said, adding, "Under the circumferences, we must differentiate their root, make our point, and draw the line."

President Bush warned, "These weapons of math instruction have the potential to decimal everything in their math on a scalene never before seen unless we become exponents of a Higher Power and begin to factor-in random facts of vertex."

Attorney General Ashcroft concluded, "As our Great Leader would say, 'read my ellipse.' Here is one principle he is uncertainty of though they continue to multiply, their days are numbered as the hypotenuse tightens around their necks."
 
  • #142
This one's good, too:
Halfway through a recent airplane flight from Warsaw to New York, there was nearly a major disaster when the flight crew got sick from eating the fish. After they had passed out, one of the flight attendants asked over the intercom if there were any pilots in the cabin.

An elderly gentleman, who had flown a bit in the war, raised his hand and was rushed into the cockpit of the 747. When he got there, took the seat, and saw all the displays and controls, he realized he was in over his head. He told the flight attendant that he didn't think he could fly this plane. When asked why not, he replied,

"I am just a simple Pole in a complex plane"

So, they just had to rely on the method of steepest descents.
 
  • #143
Help Pls for Ansys

Hi
I am a new ANSYS user and trying to work with Concrete65
Can anybody help me giving some guidelines how to deal this element...
thanks in advance...
 
  • #144
tony873004 said:
What's the square root of 69?

8-something.
i didn't get it.
 
  • #145
When my physics professor makes a simple math error he likes to comment, "There are three kinds of physicists, those that can count and those that can't."
 
  • #146
tony873004 said:
What's the square root of 69?

1 + 1 + offspring
 
  • #147
SigmaTheAtheist said:
When my physics professor makes a simple math error he likes to comment, "There are three kinds of physicists, those that can count and those that can't."

Reminiscent of the ever-popular "There are 10 types of people: Those who understand binary, and everyone else."
 
  • #148
There are 10 types of people: Those who know trinary, those who don't, and those who think I just screwed up a binary joke
 
  • #149
Office_Shredder said:
There are 10 types of people: Those who know trinary, those who don't, and those who think I just screwed up a binary joke
lol. great joke.
but, is the term "trinary"? or "ternary"?
 
  • #150
A bunch of Systems Engineers from Warsaw were flying out to attend a conference on “Automatic Control System’s” in Geneva. The weather conditions were perfect, no wind and blue sky with just a few light fluffy clouds. So once the plane reached cruising altitude the flight crew switched over to auto-pilot and settled in for a nice easy flight.

After some time one of the Engineers noticed a really strange cloud formation (resembling part of a women’s anatomy) off to the right hand side of the plane. He immediately alerted the others of this amazing curiosity and soon all the Engineers from both rows of seats had rushed over the take a look.

The sudden shift in weight caused the plane to pitch alarmingly to the right. The auto-pilot tried to correct but unfortunately it over-responded causing the plane to pitch ever more violently to the left. After several more failed over corrections the plane eventually spiralled out of control and crashed killing all on board.

Air-crash investigators examining the black box flight recorder eventually determined that the crash resulted from: “an instability in the auto-pilot system caused by” ...….punch line …... “ too many Poles in the right half plane”.
 
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