Can you take multiple courses at once?

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The discussion revolves around the operation of a NOR gate in a circuit involving an LED. Participants explore when the LED will light up based on the inputs to the NOR gate, including the implications of high and low inputs and the stability of the system.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions when the LED is on, suggesting that voltage and resistance may not matter, and asks how many high or low inputs are needed.
  • Another participant corrects their drawing, indicating it is a NOR gate.
  • Some participants assert that the LED will be on when any of the four inputs are HIGH, while others argue that the inputs must be low for the LED to light up.
  • There is a discussion about the need for high and low voltage to maintain stability, with one participant suggesting that having all inputs high or low is not stable.
  • Another participant challenges the idea that stabilization is necessary for logic gates like the NOR, questioning the meaning of all inputs being false.
  • One participant expresses confusion about the stability of the device and the implications of the logic operation.
  • A metaphor is introduced comparing the logic gate operation to asking if someone wants to take a course, illustrating the concept of true and false outputs based on input conditions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the conditions under which the LED lights up, with no consensus reached on the necessity of high or low inputs for the NOR gate operation.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the definitions of stability in logic gates and the implications of input combinations on the output.

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when is the LED on for the circuit shown? (Construct a truth table) btw that part that's cut off at the top says 5 V but i don't think the voltage or resistance matters in this problem. how many low and how many high inputs do i need to get that LED to light up?

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my drawing is a little off. it's supposed to be a NOR gate.
 
i found the answer to this question to be "The LED will be on when any of the four inputs are HIGH." nor operation produces a low when any of the inputs are high and high when both inputs are low. i would figure that you need a high for the LED to light up so therefor don't the inputs have to be low?

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oh i understand now. its because in order for a system to maintain stability you need high and low voltage so you can't have 1111 or 0000 therefor it has to be when any of the inputs is one even if it means an output of 0.
 
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ineedhelpnow said:
i found the answer to this question to be "The LED will be on when any of the four inputs are HIGH." nor operation produces a low when any of the inputs are high and high when both inputs are low. i would figure that you need a high for the LED to light up so therefor don't the inputs have to be low?

For the LED to light up, the voltage just above the LED must be high, and the voltage just below the LED must be low.
Otherwise, current wouldn't flow.
Therefore, the output of the NOR must be low.

Btw, the part of the sentence that says "(nor operation produces) a high when both inputs are low" should really read: "(nor operation produces) a high when all inputs are low".
oh i understand now. its because in order for a system to maintain stability you need high and low voltage so you can't have 1111 or 0000 therefor it has to be when any of the inputs is one even if it means an output of 0.

Nope. That's not it.
 
ok how about. a 0 is needed to stabilize the voltage of 5V...
but then why does 0000 not work? that produces a low also.
 
ineedhelpnow said:
ok how about. a 0 is needed to stabilize the voltage of 5V...
but then why does 0000 not work? that produces a low also.

Logic gates like the NOR have no need for stabilization.

Consider what 0000 means.
It means that all inputs count as "false".
What is:

NOT ( false OR false OR false OR false )
 
oh i figured the whole thing as a device need to be stable.
false OR false OR false OR false (this part really confused me :confused: )
 
ineedhelpnow said:
oh i figured the whole thing as a device need to be stable.

A logic gate like this one is considered stable by definition.
false OR false OR false OR false (this part really confused me :confused: )

This is about logic.

Suppose I want to know if you want to take a (any) course.
And suppose to do so, I ask you if you want to take

course A or course B or course C or course D

If you don't want to take any of them, the answer is no (aka false).
But if you want to take 1 or more of them, the answer is yes (aka true).
 

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