Car Thermostat Temperature Problem

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The discussion revolves around determining the appropriate starting temperature for a car thermostat to maintain engine temperature within specified limits, considering the operational parameters of the radiator fan and coolant circulation. The focus is on the theoretical and practical aspects of engine cooling systems.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the average of the radiator fan's start and stop temperatures (87°C) could be a reasonable estimate for the thermostat's starting temperature.
  • Another participant proposes that the thermostat should open partially at 88°C and fully at 90°C, emphasizing that the fan operates to assist cooling when natural convection is insufficient.
  • A participant questions whether the thermostat's wax could refreeze as the engine temperature decreases when the fan operates, expressing uncertainty about the mechanics of this process.
  • Another participant challenges the idea that a fan can cool the engine down to 84°C, suggesting that 84°C refers to coolant temperature rather than engine temperature.
  • One participant elaborates on the complexities of radiator function, noting that heat transfer depends on multiple factors, including temperature differences, convective heat transfer coefficients, and engine load.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the thermostat's operational temperatures and the effectiveness of the fan in cooling the engine. There is no consensus on the exact starting temperature for the thermostat or the implications of the fan's operation on engine cooling.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge limitations in the provided data, including assumptions about coolant and engine temperatures, as well as the lack of detailed information on the cooling system's dynamics.

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Solution Required :

Engine Temperature should not exceed 96 °C

Specify Thermostat starting temperature for controlling engine temperature within limits with tolerance of +/- 2 deg


Constraint :

Radiator Fan starts at 90°C & stops at 84°C

Coolant from engine must be circulated through radiator when engine temperatures cross its specified limit


No other Data has been provided.

Solution Guess:

Avg is of 84 & 90 , ie 87°C ; assuming Fan speed is based on keeping the engine at optimum temperature.


Please help me guys
 
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I've pondered this, but can't get a grip on it. When you find out the answer would you come back and share it? I think the question must rely on a more intimate understanding of an engine's cooling than I have -- which isn't saying much! ☹
 
Still trying to get a correct answer
Appreciate your interest though

Thank You
 
Answer is 88 to 90 degrees, ie thermostat opens partially at 88 and completely upto 90

Radiator fan starts only when Natural convection ( or forced convection due to motion of the vehicle ) is not sufficient to cool the coolant in the radiator. The fan provides extra air circulation to cool the radiator n the coolant in it.
This means the thermostat has to be open ( it should be operational , allowing coolant to absorb heat from the engine ) before the the fan starts working.
 
Okay, that wasn't difficult. :smile:

What I've been wondering is: If the fan can reduce the temp down to 84° before it cuts out, does this mean the thermostat's wax can refreeze as the engine temp cycles down whenever the fan cuts in? I'm finding it difficult to picture the wax refreezing in a running engine, but maybe it does https://www.physicsforums.com/images/icons/icon5.gif
 
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Well in Full working Condition , don't think a Fan can cool an Engine upto 84 C ,
Also since it has not been mentioned , I am assuming 84 would be coolant temp n not the engine temp

About the Wax refreezing , that is plausible ; infact the way I understand it , a thermostat keeps opening & closing( which in turn means wax melting n freezing ) in a normal ( optimum ) condition
(Check How stuff works )

The working of a radiator is not so easy to explain ; the heat transfer , it depends on Temperature difference between Coolant & Engine ; between the coolant & surrounding air , coefficient of convective heat transfer in the radiator ( which depends on whether the fan is On or Off) ; mass flow rate of air in the radiator ( again depends on the fan )
Coolant Pressure & mass flow rate ( Depends on Coolant Pump Capacity & Thermostat position respectively )
but most importantly on how much Heat the engine is producing ( which again depends on throttle position , engine load etc

Hope this helps and not confuses you :)
 

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