Cartesian to polar unit vectors + Linear Combination

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The discussion revolves around determining polar coordinate unit vectors ˆr and ˆθ from a given position vector r(t) = 4txˆ + (10t - t)ˆy. Participants express confusion regarding the notation and potential typos in the problem, particularly concerning the y-component of the position vector and its relation to the velocity vector v(t). There is a consensus that the expressions for ˆr and ˆθ should be derived from the standard polar coordinate transformations, but the calculations seem complicated due to the presence of trigonometric functions and the need for a linear combination in part (iv). Clarifications are sought on the correct formulation of the position and velocity vectors to proceed accurately with the problem. The conversation highlights the importance of clear notation and accurate definitions in solving vector-related problems in physics.
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I've been trying to solve this question all day. If somebody could point me in the right direction I would really appreciate it!

(ii) A particle’s motion is described by the following position vector r(t) = 4txˆ + (10t − t)ˆy Determine the polar coordinate unit vectors ˆr and ˆθ for r. [4]

v(t) is given as: v(t) = 4xˆ + (10t − 1)ˆy
(iv) Using the ˆr and ˆθ you found in (ii) above, write v(t) as a linear combination of rˆ and ˆθ. [4]

(v) Differentiate the expression for r(t) you got in part (ii) (in terms of ˆr and ˆθ, and using the expressions ˙rˆ = ˙θ ˆθ , ˙ˆθ = − ˙θrˆ derived in the lectures, show that you obtain the same answer as in part (iv)

I understand that for θ^ = -sinθ + cosθ and r^=sinθ + cos θ I'm just unsure how to do part (ii) without it being really messy e.g with cos(tan^-1(10t-1/4)) where tan^-1(10t-1/4)=θ especially knowing I have to find a linear combination afterwords.

The attempt at a solution
My current answer for part (ii):
r^= cos(tan^-1(10t-1/4))x^ + sin(tan^-1(10t-1/4))y^
θ^= -sin(tan^-1(10t-1/4))x^ + cos(tan^-1(10t-1/4))y^

And for part (iv) am I am right in saying that I need to find, a and b scalars for the following:
4 = a*cos(tan^-1(10t-1/4)) +b*-sin(tan^-1(10t-1/4))
10t-1 = a*sin(tan^-1(10t-1/4))+b*cos(tan^-1(10t-1/4))

I'm really not sure about this one. It appears like it's going to difficult to eliminate the t value.
Anyway, thanks in advance, I'm going to keep working on it now.
 
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Christina909 said:
A particle’s motion is described by the following position vector r(t) = 4txˆ + (10t − t)ˆy Determine the polar coordinate unit vectors ˆr and ˆθ for r. [4]

v(t) is given as: v(t) = 4xˆ + (10t − 1)ˆy
I am pretty sure there's at least one typo here. Why would anybody specify (10t - t)y?
 
Yes that was a typo, sorry.
But when I say y^ -'y' hat (Or ^y - the typo) I mean it as the component, and it's the same with the others, it was just a formatting error
 
Hi. This all seems a bit confusing, partly because of notation and possible typos... (What's the correct r(t) you are given, by the way?)
Now regardless of that, you seem to have taken a wrong track in the beginning. So to avoid the hats I'm going to define: r-hat = er ; θ-hat = eθ , and: x-hat = ex ; y-hat = ey

You know that in polar coordinates (because you mention it at some point):
er = cosθ ex + sinθ ey , eθ = –sinθ ex + cosθ ey , and this is always true.
You also know that: cosθ = x/r = x⋅(x2+ y2)–1/2, and: sinθ = y/r = y⋅(x2+ y2)–1/2 ,
And this is also always true.
Now you are given an expression: r(t) = x(t) ex + y(t) ey,
So what does all that make of er and eθ?
 
Christina909 said:
Yes that was a typo, sorry.
But when I say y^ -'y' hat (Or ^y - the typo) I mean it as the component, and it's the same with the others, it was just a formatting error
I think the typo referred to was writing the y-component as ##10t-t##. Why not simply write it as ##9t##? Plus it's inconsistent with what you later said was the y-component of the velocity, ##10t-1##. That's not the derivative of ##10t-t##.
 
r(t) = 4txˆ + (10t − t)ˆy Determine the polar coordinate unit vectors ˆr and ˆθ for r. [4]

v(t) is given as: v(t) = 4xˆ + (10t − 1)ˆy

Chris, can you clear this up ?

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