Celestial Mechanics: Earth Orbit Time & Why 80 Minutes is Impossible

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The discussion revolves around the orbital mechanics of Earth satellites, specifically addressing the question of why it is considered impossible for a vehicle to orbit the Earth in less than 80 minutes. Participants explore concepts related to gravitational and centrifugal forces in the context of orbital periods.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between altitude and orbital period, with some questioning the feasibility of achieving an orbital period under 80 minutes. Others raise points about energy expenditure and the implications of being within the Earth's atmosphere.

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The conversation is ongoing, with various interpretations being explored. Some participants provide insights into the forces at play in orbital mechanics, while others express confusion about specific concepts, indicating a productive exchange of ideas without a clear consensus.

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There is a mention of a classroom context for the original question, suggesting that some participants may be working from incomplete information or understanding. The discussion also touches on the definitions and implications of orbital mechanics, particularly regarding the balance of forces.

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The greater the altitude of an Earth satellite, the longer it takes to complete one orbit. Why is it impossible for any vehivle to go aroung Earth in less than 80 minutes?
 
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Is this a homework question?
You have to at least try and answer it, describe what you know and any ideas you have about the solution
 
It's not impossible, but the energy expenditure would be ridiculous. If you're referring to ballistic orbits, I suspect that it's because an orbital period of less than 80 minutes would put the object inside the atmosphere. (Although, I haven't actually heard of that limit before.)

edit: Sorry, Mgb; didn't mean to step on your toes here. I started this response before seeing yours. It didn't occur to me that it might be a homework problem.
 
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Because the centrifugal force would be greater than gravitational, unless you compensate it some other way. Computing this you get the minimal period something about 84 minutes.
 
Its not a homework question. It was a question that arose in class and I didnt really understand the explanation and as a result didnt take notes.

Im sorry michalll but i didnt quite get why the centrifugal force would be greater than the gravatational force.
 
michalll said:
Because the centrifugal force would be greater than gravitational, unless you compensate it some other way. Computing this you get the minimal period something about 84 minutes.

Surely the definition of an orbit is that centrifugal force equals the gravitational.

If you calculate the height necessary for an 84min orbit and compare it to the height of the atmosphere / density of the atmosphere at that height you will see why a satelite orbiting at that height isn't going to last long.

you could orbit the Earth at sea level if you had an air free pipe to avoid air resistance.
 

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