Center of Mass and Energy in an Explosive Collision: A Homework Question

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The problem involves a block of mass 15 kg that explodes into two pieces of masses 10 kg and 5 kg, moving in different directions. Participants are exploring the concepts of center of mass and energy conservation in the context of an explosive collision.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the calculation of the center of mass velocity before and after the explosion, questioning the correctness of their statements. They also explore the kinetic energy before and after the explosion and whether energy is conserved in this scenario.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on comparing kinetic energies before and after the explosion. There is an ongoing exploration of the implications of negative energy values, with participants questioning the validity of their calculations and interpretations.

Contextual Notes

Participants are operating under the assumption that no external forces act on the system, leading to discussions about energy conservation and the nature of internal forces during the explosion.

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Homework Statement


A block of mass M = 15 kg moves with velocity V and explodes at the origin into two
pieces of masses m1 = 10 kg and m2 = 5 kg. The piece m1 moves in the positive direction
of y-axis with speed v1 = 4.5 m/s, whereas the other piece m2 moves in the positive
direction of x-axis with speed v2 = 8 m/s.

a) What is the velocity (magnitude and direction) of the center of mass before and after
the explosion?
b) How much energy is released in the explosion?


Homework Equations




The Attempt at a Solution


a) V1=4.5j m/s , V2=8i m/s, m1=10 kg , m2= 5 kg , M=15 kg
Vcomx=(8*5)/15=2.67 m/s
Vcomy=(4.5*10)/15=3 m/s
Vcom=sqrt(2.67^2+3^2)=4 m/s before = after ( is this statement right ?? )
b) .5*M*V^2=120 J the released energy ,, is that right ??
and another question ,, the energy before explosion = after if there is no external force right ?
 

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Lord Dark said:
a) V1=4.5j m/s , V2=8i m/s, m1=10 kg , m2= 5 kg , M=15 kg
Vcomx=(8*5)/15=2.67 m/s
Vcomy=(4.5*10)/15=3 m/s
Vcom=sqrt(2.67^2+3^2)=4 m/s before = after ( is this statement right ?? )
Good.
b) .5*M*V^2=120 J the released energy ,, is that right ??
No. That's the kinetic energy of the block before it exploded. Compare it to the energy of the pieces after the explosion.
and another question ,, the energy before explosion = after if there is no external force right ?
No. The force of the explosion is strictly an internal force to the system, yet the explosion releases energy.
 
Doc Al said:
Good.

No. That's the kinetic energy of the block before it exploded. Compare it to the energy of the pieces after the explosion.

No. The force of the explosion is strictly an internal force to the system, yet the explosion releases energy.

so,, by comparing you mean i should get (.5m1v1^2 and .5m2v2^2 and sum them then subtract them from 120 J ?? )

(120-(101.25+160))=-141.25 J is this the energy released ,, if it's right is it ok to be negative ?
 
Lord Dark said:
so,, by comparing you mean i should get (.5m1v1^2 and .5m2v2^2 and sum them then subtract them from 120 J ?? )
Almost. The change of any quantity is always final - initial, so subtract the initial KE from the final KE.
(120-(101.25+160))=-141.25 J is this the energy released ,, if it's right is it ok to be negative ?
Correct this. No, it's not OK for the energy released to be negative--that would mean that energy was absorbed, not released. :wink:
 
Doc Al said:
Almost. The change of any quantity is always final - initial, so subtract the initial KE from the final KE.

Correct this. No, it's not OK for the energy released to be negative--that would mean that energy was absorbed, not released. :wink:

so the answer ... (101.25+160) - 120 = 141.25 J ??
 
Lord Dark said:
so the answer ... (101.25+160) - 120 = 141.25 J ??
Yes. My only suggestion would be to not round off anything until the last step. (Recalculate the 120 J more accurately.)
 
Doc Al said:
Yes. My only suggestion would be to not round off anything until the last step. (Recalculate the 120 J more accurately.)


(101.25+160) - 120.83= 140.416 =140.42 J now ? :D ,, thanks very much
 
Lord Dark said:
(101.25+160) - 120.83= 140.416 =140.42 J now ?
Exactly. Though I would just round it off to 140 J.
 

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