Center of Mass Using Triple Integrals Question

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of the center of mass using triple integrals, specifically exploring the use of spherical and cylindrical coordinates versus Cartesian coordinates.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster questions whether spherical or cylindrical coordinates can be used for finding the center of mass and seeks guidance on setting up the triple integrals in these coordinate systems.
  • Some participants confirm that it is possible to use spherical or cylindrical coordinates and discuss the necessary transformations and Jacobian determinants involved in the integration process.
  • There is an exploration of how to express the integrals in cylindrical coordinates, with attempts to clarify the setup and the role of the Jacobian.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about the correct form of the triple integral in cylindrical coordinates.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights into the use of different coordinate systems for calculating the center of mass. Some guidance has been offered regarding the transformation of functions and the importance of the Jacobian, although there remains some uncertainty about specific integral setups.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of changing coordinate systems and the implications for the domain of integration. There is an emphasis on ensuring correct transformations and understanding the mathematical relationships involved.

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My question is this: When finding center of mass, can you do so using spherical/cylindrical coordinates, or must you put it in cartesian coordinates?

If you can use spherical/cylindrical coordinates, how do you set up the triple integrals ?

Thank you.

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You can do it in spherical or cylindrical coordinates as well. Any triple integral in cartesian coordinates \int\int\int f(x,y,z)dxdyz can be calculated in cylindrical coordinates(r,phi,z) as \int\int\int f(rcos\phi,rsin\phi,z)rdrd\phi dz and in spherical coordinates as well http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple_integral#Spherical_coordinates

You should take notice of 3 facts when changing from cartesian to another coordinate system

1) The function f to be integrated is transformed from function of x,y,z to a function of the new coordinates. For example in cylindrical coordinates from f(x,y,z) becomes f(rcos\phi,rsin\phi,z)
2) The transformed function is mupltiplied by another function of the new coordiantes which is the the Jacobian Determinant. In cylindrical coordinates Jacobian Determinant is simply r.
3) The domain of integration changes also.
 
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Hm. So I understand when calculating the center of mass it works like this:

Triple integral of x dxdydz
triple integral of y dydxdz
triple integral of z dzdydx

And then all of them over triple integral of the function (mass)

If I were to do this in cylindrical coordinates would it be the following:
triple integral of r*r drdzdtheta
triple integral of theta*r dthetadrdz
triple integral of z*r dzdthetadr

Over the mass again

Due to the added r in the cylindrical coordinates?
 
I am not sure what your triple integral is but for cylindrical coordinates you replace x=rcos\phi, y=rsin\phi, z=z and you multiply by r. Also you must be carefull for the new domain of integration.
 
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Yes, for sure.

My question is specifically in regards to center of mass with triple integrals.
 

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