Change in temperature for a system with entropy change

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The problem involves calculating the initial temperature of water when a hot aluminum pan is submerged, resulting in an entropy change of 162 J/K. The relevant equations include the change in entropy for both aluminum and water, expressed as a function of their masses, specific heats, and temperatures. The user struggles with finding the final equilibrium temperature (Tf) needed to solve for the initial temperature of the water (Tiw). They consider the conservation of energy as a potential approach but are unsure how to apply it effectively. The discussion highlights the complexity of the problem and the need for additional equations to solve for the unknowns.
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Homework Statement


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A 2.45-kg aluminum pan at 155∘C is plunged into 3.58 kg of water. If the entropy change of the system is 162 J/K, what was the initial temperature of the water? NOTE:We did not receive a Tf for the system.

Homework Equations


Δs=mCln(T1/T2)
Δs=∫(1/T)dQ
Q=mcΔT

The Attempt at a Solution


Here's what I have so far:
The change in entropy of the system is equal to the change in entropy of the aluminum plus the change in entropy of the water. This gave me the equation:
Δs=MaCa(ln(Tf/Tia))+MwCw(ln(Tf/Tiw))
where...
Ma and Mw are the masses of aluminum and water respectively
Ca and Cw are the specific heats of aluminum and water respectively
Tf is the final equilibrium temperature for the system\
Tia is the initial temperature of the aluminum
Tiw is the desired answer, the initial temperature of the water

I don't know how to move on without the Tf of the system. My attempts at solving for Tf led to something very messy. Any help is greatly appreciated!
 
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Is there some other quantity in this scenario that is a conserved quantity ? Perhaps that way you can come to another equation so you end up with just as many equations as unknowns ...
 
As the entropy of the system is changing, the only thing that I could think of that would be conserved is energy. The first law of thermodynamics states that ΔU=W+Q where U is the internal energy. Also the equation relating T,U, and s is 1/T=Δs/ΔU. I'm not quite sure how I would use these two to produce another useful equation or incorporate conservation.
 
Perhaps you are allowed to look up the cp ?
 
Yes we are allowed to look up the specific heats. For aluminum Ca is 0.900 J/gK and for water, Cw is 4.184 J/gK. However, plugging these into my original equation still leaves Tiw and Tf unknown
 
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