Change of Variables Legendre's Equation

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The discussion revolves around solving Legendre's equation in the context of spherical harmonics and eigenvalues, specifically focusing on the case where m = 0. The original poster is attempting to rewrite the eigenvalue equation in terms of the variable u = cos θ.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the process of substituting variables and the implications for derivatives, particularly how to express second derivatives in terms of the new variable u. There are attempts to clarify the transformation of the eigenvalue equation and the handling of trigonometric identities.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on simplifying expressions and recognizing relationships between trigonometric functions and the new variable. The original poster expresses confusion about the derivative calculations, indicating that the discussion is ongoing with various interpretations being explored.

Contextual Notes

There are indications of potential misunderstandings regarding the application of the chain and product rules in differentiation, as well as the need to clarify the transformation of terms during the change of variables.

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Homework Statement


Determine the spherical harmonics and the eigenvalues of \vec{\hat{L}}^2 by solving the eigenvalue equation \vec{\hat{L}}^2 |\lambda, m \rangle in position space,

[\frac{1}{sin \theta} \frac{\partial}{\partial \theta} ( sin \theta \frac{\partial}{\partial \theta} ) + \frac{1}{sin^2 \theta} \frac{\partial^2}{\partial \phi^2}] \Theta_{\lambda,m}(\theta) e^{im\phi}

restrict your attention to the m = 0 case. Rewrite the equation in terms of u = cos \theta and show that it becomes

(1-u^2) \frac{d^2 \Theta_{\lambda, 0}}{du^2}-2u \frac{d \Theta_{\lambda,m}}{du} + \lambda \Theta_{\lambda,0} = 0

Homework Equations


distributing the \frac{\partial}{\partial \theta} and recognizing that the double phi derivative turns to zero I am working with the equation -[cot \theta \frac{\partial}{\partial \theta} + \frac{\partial^2}{\partial \theta^2}] \Theta_{\lambda,0} = \lambda \Theta_{\lambda,0}

so, using u = cos \theta I get that du = -sin \theta d \theta, which in turn gives me that \frac{d}{d \theta} = - sin \theta \frac{d}{du}

So I'm pretty sure I'm messing up when I am substituting in for \frac{d^2}{d^2 \theta} = -sin \theta \frac{d}{du} (-sin \theta \frac{d}{du})

I'm then saying -sin \theta = \frac{du}{d \theta} then using the chain rule I get \frac{d^2}{d^2 \theta} = -sin [ \frac {d}{d \theta} \frac{d}{du} + \frac{du}{d \theta} \frac {d^2}{du^2}] = -sin \theta [-sin \theta \frac{d^2}{du^2}-sin \theta \frac{d^2}{du^2}] = 2 sin^2 \theta \frac{d^2}{du^2}<br />

The Attempt at a Solution


I'd appreciate any help. When i put this all together I'm getting
2(1-u^2)\frac{d^2 \Theta_{\lambda,0}}{du^2} - u \frac{d \Theta_{\lambda,0}}{du} + \lambda \Theta_{\lambda,0}=0
I'm pretty sure it's just me doing something stupid while trying to find what the second derivative with respect to theta equals after the change of variable.
 
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The LaTeX of your most important steps seems screwed upnan it is therefore difficult to tell exactly what you have done.

Let me just say this though: You are taking the long way around. I suggest not using the derivatives to make it two terms before making the substitution.
 
Ok,

I've tried this way as well and I always get snagged at the same part.

\frac{d}{d \theta}(sin \theta \frac {d}{d \theta})
= sin \theta \frac{d}{du}(sin^2 \theta \frac{d}{du})
one term is sin^3 \theta \frac{d^2}{du^2}
I think I keep messing up the second term. How do you compute it?
 
Note that ##\sin^2\theta = 1 - u^2##. That should help.
 
Kuruman, I got that. that term works out perfect. But I'm not getting a -2u for my first derivative term, I only have -u. I'm not applying the chain or product rule correctly when computing what d^2/d(theta)^2 is.

What does \frac{d}{du} sin^2 \theta come out to?
 
I JUST GOT IT! ugh, I don't know why I just didn't see how to do \frac{d}{du} sin^2 \theta

Thanks all.
 

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