Changing the bases of logs question

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The discussion revolves around proving the equation xyz + 1 = 2yz, where x, y, and z are defined as logarithmic expressions involving a variable 'a'. Participants confirm the correctness of the initial calculations and suggest combining fractions for simplification. A key point is the application of logarithmic rules to manipulate the expressions effectively. Despite differing methods, the mathematical validity of the approach is acknowledged, although there is frustration regarding the teacher's feedback. Ultimately, the consensus is that the problem can be solved in multiple ways, and the participant's method is valid.
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Homework Statement


If x= log2aa
y= log3a2a
z= log4a3a

prove that xyz +1 = 2yz

Homework Equations



loga C = log10C/log10a


The Attempt at a Solution



log= log10

x= log2aa = log a/ log2a


y= log3a2a = log 2a/log 3a


z= log4a3a = log 3a/log 4a


xyz + 1 = (log a/log2a)x (log 2a/log 3a) x (log 3a/log4a) + log 10


= log a/ log 4a + log 10

Is this correct so far?
 
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lionely said:

Homework Statement


If x= log2aa
y= log3a2a
z= log4a3a

prove that xyz +1 = 2yz

Homework Equations



loga C = log10C/log10a


The Attempt at a Solution



log= log10

x= log2aa = log a/ log2a


y= log3a2a = log 2a/log 3a


z= log4a3a = log 3a/log 4a


xyz + 1 = (log a/log2a)x (log 2a/log 3a) x (log 3a/log4a) + log 10


= log a/ log 4a + log 10

Is this correct so far?

Everything you've written there is correct. But instead of writing log 10 in the last step, I would suggest you write the "1" as \frac{\log 4a}{\log 4a} and combine the fractions.
 
So it's
(loga/log4a) + (log4a/log4a) = (loga/log4a) x (log4a/log4a)

= loga/log4a?
 
lionely said:
So it's
(loga/log4a) + (log4a/log4a) = (loga/log4a) x (log4a/log4a)

= loga/log4a?

No. How'd you get from the '+' to the 'x'?

Are you getting confused by the log rule that says: \log m + \log n = \log mn? Because that's something quite different.

Just do the addition like normal fraction expressions. The numerator of the combined expression should then be simplified using that log rule I mentioned.
 
so it's log4a^2/log4a?
 
lionely said:
so it's log4a^2/log4a?

Yes. Now observe that 4a^2 = (2a)^2.

Use \log m^n = n\log m here.

It's already quite close to the form you require. You just need one more trivial trick to introduce \log 3a into the expression. Remember that \frac{x}{y} = (\frac{x}{z})(\frac{z}{y}), where z can be anything because it just cancels out. A little bit more manipulation and you'll get the form you require.
 
How about (2log2a/log3a) x (log3a/log4a)?
 
Oh yes it is that because yz = (log3a/log4a) x (log2a/log3a)and xyz + 1 =( 2log2a/log3a) x (log3a/log4)

and that is equal to 2yz!
 
lionely said:
Oh yes it is that because yz = (log3a/log4a) x (log2a/log3a)


and xyz + 1 =( 2log2a/log3a) x (log3a/log4)

and that is equal to 2yz!

Yup, you got it. :smile:
 
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Thank you!
 
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=/ My teacher said what I did was wrong... he said it must be done the way he did it... he changed base of x to base of y then he got xy I think. Then changed the base of xy to base of z.

I don't remember exactly what he did i didn't get a chance to transcribe it... but it was something along the lines of what I said above. But I personally believe the question can be worked more than one way..
 
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lionely said:
=/ My teacher said what I did was wrong...
You have my sympathies.
 
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What does that mean? I have a bad teacher? =/
 
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lionely said:
What does that mean? I have a bad teacher? =/

Everything you did is mathematically valid. The only small caveat is that 'a' should be taken to be positive, but this is generally a given in this sort of question. I don't know what your teacher is on about.
 
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