Characteristic equation with x^2 coefficient

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The discussion revolves around finding the characteristic equation for the differential equation x² d²y/dx² + 3x dy/dx + 5y = g(x), which is identified as a second-order Euler equation. Participants are exploring the implications of the variable coefficients in relation to characteristic equations.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Some participants attempt to derive the characteristic equation using a substitution method, while others question the applicability of characteristic equations to this specific problem due to the variable coefficients. There is mention of assuming a solution of the form y = x^n and the relevance of the nonhomogeneous nature of the equation.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants providing insights into the nature of the differential equation and questioning the validity of using characteristic equations. Some guidance is offered regarding the Cauchy-Euler method and the Frobenius method, but there is no explicit consensus on the approach to take.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that characteristic equations are typically applicable only to constant coefficient linear differential equations, raising concerns about their relevance in this context. There is also a reference to the need for understanding the function g(x) in the nonhomogeneous equation.

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Homework Statement



x2 d2y/dx2 + 3x dy/dx + 5y = g(x)

Homework Equations


How do we find Characteristic equation for it.

The Attempt at a Solution



x2λ2 + 3xλ + 5 = 0
λ1 = 1/2 [-x2 + √ (x4 + 20 ) ]
λ2 = 1/2[ -x2 - √(x4 + 20) ]

I used 1/3 -/+ a √(a2 + 4b)
where
a = x2
b = 5
 
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knockout_artist said:

Homework Statement



x2 d2y/dx2 + 3x dy/dx + 5y = g(x)

Homework Equations


How do we find Characteristic equation for it.
If memory serves, the characteristic equation applies to the related nonhomogeneous DE -- ##x^2 y'' + 3x y' + 5y = 0##.
This is an example of an 2nd order Euler equation. One technique is to assume a solution of the form ##y = x^n##, and substitute it into the DE. For your nonhomogeneous equation, it depends on what g(x) is.
See https://www.math24.net/second-order-euler-equation/
knockout_artist said:

The Attempt at a Solution



x2λ2 + 3xλ + 5 = 0
λ1 = 1/2 [-x2 + √ (x4 + 20 ) ]
I have no idea what you're doing here.
knockout_artist said:
λ2 = 1/2[ -x2 - √(x4 + 20) ]

I used 1/3 -/+ a √(a2 + 4b)
where
a = x2
b = 5
 
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knockout_artist said:

Homework Statement



x2 d2y/dx2 + 3x dy/dx + 5y = g(x)

Homework Equations


How do we find Characteristic equation for it.

The Attempt at a Solution



x2λ2 + 3xλ + 5 = 0
λ1 = 1/2 [-x2 + √ (x4 + 20 ) ]
λ2 = 1/2[ -x2 - √(x4 + 20) ]

I used 1/3 -/+ a √(a2 + 4b)
where
a = x2
b = 5

Forget characteristic equations: they do not apply in this problem. They are for constant coefficient linear DEs, but your DE has coefficients that are functions of ##x##.
 
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Ray Vickson said:
Forget characteristic equations: they do not apply in this problem.
The old saying applies here: "If the only tool you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail."
As Ray said (and I forgot), characteristic equations are applicable only to constant coefficient linear differential equations, and specifically to homogeneous DEs of that type.
 
If you need a quick reference, the method is called cauchy-euler (I think this is the name). There is also an equivalent form using a log, worth it to know both versions. t I believe you can also use Frobineous Method, due to the analytical point. Its been years since I solved a differential equation.
 

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