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The discussion revolves around the interpretation and visualization of a vector expression involving the dot product, specifically examining the implications of the equation \( \left( \vec{r} - \vec{a} \right) \cdot \vec{r} = 0 \). Participants explore whether the resulting geometric shape is a circle or a sphere, and clarify the mathematical expressions involved.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that the equation leads to a circle with a specific radius and center.
  • Another participant corrects this interpretation, noting that \( \vec{a} \) is a vector and provides a revised expression indicating a sphere instead of a circle.
  • A further clarification is made regarding the radius, questioning whether it should be expressed as \( \frac{|\vec{a} \cdot \vec{a}|}{2} \) or \( \frac{\sqrt{|\vec{a} \cdot \vec{a}|}}{2} \).
  • One participant emphasizes the importance of distinguishing between vectors and scalars in the context of the dot product.
  • Another participant agrees with the correction regarding the shape, acknowledging their background may have influenced their initial interpretation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is disagreement regarding whether the shape described is a circle or a sphere, with some participants asserting it is a sphere while others initially suggested it was a circle. The discussion remains unresolved on the precise terminology and implications of the expressions used.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the correct interpretation of the radius and the distinction between vector and scalar representations in the context of the dot product.

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This discussion may be useful for individuals interested in vector calculus, geometry, and the nuances of mathematical terminology in physics.

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$ \left( \vec{r} - \vec{a} \right). \vec{r} = 0 $ Please check this:

Then, $ r^2 - a.r = 0 $, then $ \left( r - \frac{a}{2} \right)^2 - \left(\frac{a}{2}\right)^2 = 0 $, then
$ \left( x - \frac{a}{2}\right)^2 + \left(y - \frac{a}{2}\right)^2 + \left( z - \frac{a}{2}\right)^2 = \left(\frac{a}{2}\right)^2$

This is a circle radius $ \frac{a}{2} $, centred at $\left(\frac{a}{2} , \frac{a}{2} , \frac{a}{2} \right) $?
 
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ognik said:
$ \left( \vec{r} - \vec{a} \right). \vec{r} = 0 $ Please check this:

Then, $ r^2 - a.r = 0 $, then $ \left( r - \frac{a}{2} \right)^2 - \left(\frac{a}{2}\right)^2 = 0 $, then
$ \left( x - \frac{a}{2}\right)^2 + \left(y - \frac{a}{2}\right)^2 + \left( z - \frac{a}{2}\right)^2 = \left(\frac{a}{2}\right)^2$

This is a circle radius $ \frac{a}{2} $, centred at $\left(\frac{a}{2} , \frac{a}{2} , \frac{a}{2} \right) $?
Close. You have forgotten that a is a vector so [math]r^2 - \vec{a} \cdot \vec{r} = 0 \implies (x^2 + y^2 + z^2) - (a_x \cdot x + a_y \cdot y + a_z \cdot z) = 0[/math], which says
[math]\left ( x - \frac{a_x}{2} \right ) ^2 + \left ( y - \frac{a_y}{2} \right ) ^2 + \left ( z - \frac{a_z}{2} \right ) ^2 = \frac{a^2}{4}[/math]

This is a circle with center [math]\left ( \frac{a_x}{2},~ \frac{a_y}{2},~ \frac{a_z}{2} \right )[/math] and radius [math]| \vec{a} \cdot \vec{a}|/2[/math].

-Dan
 
Thanks, needed that reminder.

Radius $ \frac{ |a ⃗ ⋅a ⃗ |}{2} $ or $ \frac{\sqrt{ |a ⃗ ⋅a ⃗ |}}{2} $?
 
ognik said:
Thanks, needed that reminder.

Radius $ \frac{ |a ⃗ ⋅a ⃗ |}{2} $ or $ \frac{\sqrt{ |a ⃗ ⋅a ⃗ |}}{2} $?
[math]| \vec{a} \cdot \vec{b} | \equiv \sqrt{a_x b_x + a_y b_y +a_z b_z}[/math] so the "square root" of [math]\frac{a^2}{4}[/math] is [math] \frac{ | \vec{a} \cdot \vec{a} |}{2}[/math].

-Dan
 
Please stop calling $\vec{r}\cdot \vec{r}$ by $r^2$. The dot product is not a binary operation on vectors, it's a bilinear functional. It's important (except in the case where one is talking about an extension field) to distinguish between vectors and scalars.

Also, it's not a circle. Circles live in planes, the word to properly describe this shape is a *sphere*.

It has radius $\sqrt{\dfrac{\vec{a}\cdot\vec{a}}{4}} = \dfrac{\sqrt{\vec{a}\cdot\vec{a}}}{2} = \dfrac{\|\vec{a}\|}{2}$.
 
Deveno said:
Please stop calling $\vec{r}\cdot \vec{r}$ by $r^2$. The dot product is not a binary operation on vectors, it's a bilinear functional. It's important (except in the case where one is talking about an extension field) to distinguish between vectors and scalars.
You are right and with all due apologies! My Physics background is coming into play here.

-Dan
 
Thanks, all useful
 

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