Checking Average Atoms in 1 m^3 of Atmosphere at STP

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The discussion revolves around calculating the average number of atoms in a 1 meter cube of atmosphere at standard temperature and pressure (STP). The initial calculation yielded 88.14 moles based on the average atomic mass of air components: nitrogen, oxygen, and argon. However, it was pointed out that nitrogen and oxygen exist as diatomic molecules, which affects the atom count. A simpler method using Avogadro's principle was suggested, emphasizing that the number of molecules in a given volume remains constant for ideal gases, allowing for calculations without needing the specific gas composition. The need to account for diatomic molecules in the final atom count was acknowledged, highlighting the importance of precision in such calculations.
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So I need a check on my calculations for the average number of atoms in a 1 meter cube of atmosphere at STP.

I came up with 88.14 mols, here is how I did it:

First I calculated the average amu using percentage in air by
Nitorgen 78.08% @ 14.007 amu
Oxygen 20.95% @ 15.999 amu
Argon .93% @ 39.948 amu

I took these numbers and multiplied them by their relative percentages to get average amu for atmosphere:
10.94 + 3.35 + .37 = 14.67 amu average

We know the average density of air at STP is 1.293x10^3g/m^3
so I divided by average amu and got 88.14 mols/m^3

Is this right?
 
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No, that's not correct - you forgot nitrogen and oxygen are present as diatomics. But approach per se is OK.

Note that there is much simpler way. Avogadro's principle says that no matter what the gas identity is, number of molecules/atoms in a given volume is always the same (as long as gas can be treated as ideal). That means you don't need to know the mixture composition, just use PV=nRT to calculate number of moles of gas in 1 cubic meter.
 


Borek said:
No, that's not correct - you forgot nitrogen and oxygen are present as diatomics. But approach per se is OK.

I'm aware that oxygen and nitrogen exist as diatomic molecules in our atmosphere, I happen to need the number of atoms as stated in the question and title of the post but I could see how that could be missed Borek :)

Borek said:
Note that there is much simpler way. Avogadro's principle says that no matter what the gas identity is, number of molecules/atoms in a given volume is always the same (as long as gas can be treated as ideal). That means you don't need to know the mixture composition, just use PV=nRT to calculate number of moles of gas in 1 cubic meter.

That's a good approach, however I would need to recalculate for number of atoms since (as you know) the IGL counts our diatomic molecules and Ar the same so the result would be slightly less than double of n.

Either way a fairly simple check and good suggestion.
 
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mesa said:
I happen to need the number of atoms as stated in the question and title

Yep, missed that, my mistake.

 
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Borek said:


Ha ha! Since when were chemists fans of Wilder?
Pretty risque stuff for 59' but that's how he was :)
 
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