Checking Field Axioms for $G = F \times F$

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The discussion revolves around whether the set $G = F \times F$, with defined operations of addition and multiplication, satisfies the axioms of a field. Participants explore the application of field axioms, particularly focusing on associativity, identity elements, and the presence of zero-divisors.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how to check associativity for the defined operations on $G$.
  • Another participant provides a method for checking associativity, suggesting to calculate both $(a, b) \cdot (c, d) \cdot (e, f)$ and $(a, b) \cdot ((c, d) \cdot (e, f))$ and use the associativity of $F$.
  • Concerns are raised about identifying suitable zero and identity elements for addition and multiplication in $G$.
  • A participant suggests re-evaluating $(0, 0)$ as the identity for addition and discusses the conditions for a potential identity element for multiplication.
  • Another participant prompts consideration of zero-divisors in $F \times F$ as part of determining if it can be a field.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty regarding the identification of identity elements and the implications of zero-divisors. No consensus is reached on whether $G$ can be classified as a field.

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Participants have not resolved the assumptions regarding the properties of the field $F$ and how they apply to the operations defined on $G$. The discussion highlights the need for clarity on identity elements and the presence of zero-divisors.

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Problem: Let $F$ be a field and let $G = F \times F$. Define multiplication and addition on $G$ by setting $(a, b)+(c, d) = (a+c, b+d)$ and $(a, b) \cdot (c, d) = (ac, bd)$. Does this define a field structure on $$G$$?

I know field axioms but I'm unable to apply them to this problem. How do you check associativity for example?
 
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Guest said:
Problem: Let $F$ be a field and let $G = F \times F$. Define multiplication and addition on $G$ by setting $(a, b)+(c, d) = (a+c, b+d)$ and $(a, b) \cdot (c, d) = (ac, bd)$. Does this define a field structure on $$G$$?

I know field axioms but I'm unable to apply them to this problem. How do you check associativity for example?
To check associativity (for multiplication – use a similar process for associativity of addition), start like this: $$\bigl((a, b) \cdot (c, d)\bigr) \cdot(e,f) = (ac,bd)\cdot (e,f) = \bigl((ac)e,(bd)f\bigr).$$ Then do a similar calculation for $(a,b)\cdot \bigl((c,d) \cdot(e,f)\bigr)$, and use associativity of $F$ to conclude that the two results are the same.

You might do better to start the problem by asking what are the zero and identity elements of $F\times F$. Does each element of $F\times F$ have a negative, and does each nonzero element have an inverse?
 
Thank you.

Opalg said:
You might do better to start the problem by asking what are the zero and identity elements of $F\times F$. Does each element of $F\times F$ have a negative, and does each nonzero element have an inverse?
I can't find suitable identity elements. I tried (0, 0) for addition and (1, 0) for multiplication but these don't work!
 
Guest said:
Thank you.

I can't find suitable identity elements. I tried (0, 0) for addition and (1, 0) for multiplication but these don't work!

Try $(0,0)$ again for addition:

$(a,b) + (0,0) = (a+0,b+0) =?$

This might help for multiplication: suppose our identity (if it exists) is $(x,y)$.

Since we must have: $(a,b)(x,y) = (a,b)$, we obtain:

$ax = a$
$by = b$.

Note we can re-write these as:

$a(x - 1) = 0$
$b(y - 1) = 0$. Use the field properties for $F$, now.

As to your larger question, as to whether or not $F \times F$ with the operations indicated is a field, I suggest you consider whether or not it has any zero-divisors.
 

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