Christmas Tree Light: Investigating the Math Behind Its Curve

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The discussion explores the mathematical relationship between the shapes produced by fairy lights when viewed from different angles, specifically comparing circular and hyperbolic forms. It suggests that the light's emission pattern can be modeled as a conic section resulting from the intersection of a cone with a plane. The conversation also touches on the use of complex numbers, particularly substituting "iy" in the equation of a circle to derive a hyperbola, raising questions about the validity of this approach. Participants seek clarity on the significance of these mathematical transformations and their relevance to real-world observations. Ultimately, the thread highlights the intersection of geometry and optics in understanding light patterns.
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Forgive the sloppy use of math and inability to produce an image. I noticed this last christmas.

If you have a fairy light ( or perhaps any LED etc), and shine it normal to a surface, you see a circle. If you place the light flat on the surface you see a curve - to me the fairy lights' curve looks like a hyperbola.

Does this have any relation to the equation of a circle:
x^2+y^2=const.
And Hyperbola:
x^2-y^2=const.
And subsitution for 90 degrees rotation? :
y\rightarrow iy

If so, how does this even work? The experiment is all in real space. If not, is this just sloppy use of math? Any significance?

Thanks
 
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Hi Livethefire! :smile:

If the light comes out in a cone,

then the shape will be the intersection of a cone with a plane …

in other words, a conic section :wink:
 
Ah yes!

But is there any relevance or justified motivation to present such a thing by substituting "iy" in a circular equation?
 
not following you :confused:
 
What I was saying in post #1 was to sub iy for y in the first equation you get the second. In other words, rotating the axis 90 degrees changes the view from a circle to a hyperbola.

Sometimes i is used as a 90 degree operator, yet I think my reasoning is unsound, thus i am asking here for insight.
 
if the cone has semiangle λ along the z-axis, then its equation is

z2 = (x2 + y2)tan2λ,

so a plane z = xtanθ + c cuts it at x2(tan2λ - tan2θ) - 2cxtanθ + y2tan2λ = c2,

which is an ellipse or hyperbola according to whether λ is greater or less than θ

(but i don't see where i comes into it)
 
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