Circular motion with friction differential equation

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The discussion revolves around solving a differential equation related to circular motion with friction. The participant struggles with the dependency of speed on friction, which complicates the use of standard equations like v = v0 + at. They note that centripetal force equals the normal force, leading to a circular dependency where speed affects friction and vice versa. There is confusion regarding the correct application of equations, particularly in expressing acceleration in terms of speed change. The conversation emphasizes the need to find a relation that accurately connects speed and friction in this context.
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Homework Statement


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Homework Equations



F=ma
ac=v^2/r
f=uN
v=v0+at
w=v/r

The Attempt at a Solution



v=v0+at
v=vo+umv^2/r
v^2(u/r)-v+vo=0


I don't see what differential equation i could use since the speed is dependent on the friction (equal to friction coeff times centripetal force) which in it's turn is also dependent on the speed
 
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Your v=v0+at equation only applies for constant acceleration. It will not be.
 
As i understand this problem, the centripetal force, which points towards the center of the ring, equals the normal force. In that case, the friction would be equal to a coefficient times the centripetal force. When the speed changes (due to friction), the centripetal force will change (mv^2/r) and so will the normal. However since the speed is dependent on the friction which in turn is dependent on the speed, I seem to be stuck in a circular situation. Would anyone have advice to help me find the relation that will allow me to express v? Thanks!
 
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my solution gives me v instead of v0 in the denominator. Is there a typo in the statement? Thanks
 
You used the expression v = vo - atant which is not applicable, as haruspex pointed out.

You found atan = μv2/R. Express the acceleration on the left side in terms of the rate of change of the speed.
 
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