Circular motion with respect to south pole

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The problem involves circular motion with a center labeled "O" at the south pole, where a point moves in a circular path with a radius "R". The original poster seeks to find the force "F" and the period "T" of the motion, given that the force always points towards "O". The context includes variables such as the angle "α" and an initial velocity "v₀".

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to apply centripetal force concepts and expresses uncertainty about the relationship between force and period. They question the validity of their approach and seek clarification on the role of a constant "c" and the meaning of their equations.
  • Some participants question the assumptions made about the geometry of the motion and the relationship between acceleration components, particularly in relation to the position of point "P" on the circle.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring the geometric relationships involved in circular motion and the application of Newton's second law. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of geometry to analyze acceleration, but no consensus has been reached on the original poster's approach or the interpretation of their variables.

Contextual Notes

There is a lack of clarity regarding the constant "c" mentioned by the original poster, and the implications of the position of point "P" relative to the center "O" are under scrutiny. The discussion reflects an exploration of the assumptions surrounding the motion and the forces involved.

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Homework Statement


The south pole of the circular motion is labeled "O" and it's the center of the xOy axes. The point leaves "O" to the right increasing it's positional vector([tex]\bar{}r[/tex]) dimension and the [tex]\alpha[/tex] angle (the angle is between the positional vector and the Ox axis). The force that keeps the material point on the circular motion is always pointed towards "O". The north pole is labeled "A" and at that specific point the velocity is v[tex]_{}0[/tex]. The radius of the circle is R. Find the force F and the period T.

Homework Equations


r=r([tex]\alpha[/tex])
F=ma
v(subscript-alpha)=r(first derivative of alpha)
r^2*(first derivative of alpha)=c

The Attempt at a Solution


If the centripetal force applies i think F=-m(c^2/r^4)r([tex]\alpha[/tex])
If i know the force i can compute the T as T=-(2*pi*m*[tex]\vec{}r[/tex])/F
Can someone please explain if this is right and if not i am open to suggestions :) Thanks
Sorry for not using the subscripts, but the preview looked kinda weird.
 
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Hi duxy! Welcome to PF! :smile:

(what is c? and where does your r4 come from? :confused:)

Can I check that I understand the question correctly?

An object moves under no constraint (and no gravity), but subject to a force always directed towards O: find how the force depends on position P if the body moves in a circle through O.

Is that correct?

If so, then good ol' Newton's second law means that the component of acceleration perpendicular to OP must always be zero.

Hint: find the radial and tangential acceleration relative to the centre of the circle (because that's fairly easy! :wink:), and from that find the components along and perpendicular to OP. :smile:
 
Hey, thanks for the reply and the welcome. About that c it's supposed to be a constant i haven't really figured it out yet. About Newton's second law, the component of acceleration perpendicular to OP is always zero when O is the center and P is a point on the circle, in that case the radial acceleration is always perpendicular on the linear velocity, but if O is at the south point of the circle the tangent line that goes through P is not perpendicular to OP anymore(i think).

On the other hand i guess that when P is a 2R distance away from O the acceleration components have the same value and direction.

Are you implying to find the components along and perpendicular to OP geometrically or is there some kind of connection between them in this particular case?

Thank you
 
duxy said:
… in that case the radial acceleration is always perpendicular on the linear velocity, but if O is at the south point of the circle the tangent line that goes through P is not perpendicular to OP anymore(i think).

Sorry, I don't follow any of that. :confused:

First use geometry to find the acceleration.

Use the centre of the circle as I suggested.
 

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