Classical block on inclined plane

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The problem involves a block projected up an inclined plane with an initial speed, where the angle of the incline and the coefficient of friction are given. The objective is to determine the time and velocity of the block when it reaches a specified distance.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the equations of motion and the implications of negative acceleration and distance. Questions arise regarding the conditions under which real roots can be found for the time variable.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring the conditions for real roots in the context of the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the relationship between the initial speed, distance, and the nature of the roots.

Contextual Notes

There are considerations about the physical limits of the block's motion, particularly regarding maximum distance traveled based on initial conditions. The implications of negative values in the equations are also under scrutiny.

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Homework Statement



A block at t=0 is at the bottom of the plane and is projected up an inclined plane with initial speed v0. The plane's acute angle is θ above the horizontal, and the coefficient of friction is μ between the block and plane.

Find the time (t) and velocity (v1) of the block when it reaches a given distance d.

Homework Equations




1. F=ma
2. d=(1/2)at^2 + v0t + d0
3. v1=at+v0

The Attempt at a Solution



I drew a picture electronically:
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I made the direction FN and v0 positive.

#1
x dir
F = ma
F = -FμN - mgsinθ
ma = -μmgcosθ - mgsinθ
a = g(-μcosθ - sinθ)

So I found my a (should be a negative value), and now I want to find t when the block reaches d.

#2
d = (1/2)(-at^2) +v0t +d0
0 = (1/2)(-at^2) +v0t + 0 - d


Problem: Acceleration and distance are negative so the roots are imaginary, but I need to find real roots of t and then plug it in v1=at+v0 (I think).
 
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Why do you have -a in equation #2?

And why do you think that the roots are imaginary? They depend on d; if it is sufficiently small, roots will be real. This makes perfect sense physically, because there is some maximum distance that the block can travel at any initial velocity.
 
cassinova said:
Problem: Acceleration and distance are negative so the roots are imaginary, but I need to find real roots of t and then plug it in v1=at+v0 (I think).
That does not automatically make the roots imaginary. There will be real roots if v0 is nonzero and d is sufficiently small.
 
It's just that when I graph 0 = (1/2)(-at^2) +v0t + 0 - d, the entire curve is below the x-axis.
 
cassinova said:
It's just that when I graph 0 = (1/2)(-at^2) +v0t + 0 - d, the entire curve is below the x-axis.

Consider ## a = 2, \ v_0 = 5, \ d = 4 ##: is your statement true?
 

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