Classical mechanics, a puck and an incline

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a puck sliding up an inclined plane after being kicked with an initial speed. The student attempts to apply Newton's second law but struggles with the force components and the choice of coordinate system. Key points include confusion over the correct representation of forces acting on the puck and the need to consider forces parallel to the incline rather than horizontal components. The conversation emphasizes the importance of correctly defining axes and integrating the equations of motion to find the puck's position as a function of time. Overall, clarification on the reference frame and force analysis is essential for solving the problem accurately.
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Homework Statement


A student kicks a frictionless puck with initial speed ## v_0 ## so that it slides straight up a plane that is inclined at an angle ## \theta ## above the horizontal.
Write down Newton's second law for the puck and solve it to give it's position as a function of time
How long will the puck take to return to its starting point?

Homework Equations



## F = m \ddot{r} ##

The Attempt at a Solution



I've got the y-axis as vertical, and the x-axis as horizontal and the incline at angle theta. The z axis is into the page, but it's equal to zero because the puck doesn't move that way. (See attached image)

## F = m \ddot{r} ##

## F_x + F_y + F_z = m \ddot{r} ##

## \dfrac{mg}{\tan \theta} + mg + 0 = m \ddot{r} ##

## \displaystyle \int \dfrac{g}{\tan \theta}dt + \int gdt = \int \ddot{r}dt ##

## \displaystyle \dfrac{gt}{\tan \theta} + gt = \dot{v} ##

I feel like something is wrong here... can someone help me out?
 

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Have you thought about the reasoning in your steps? IS there anywhere you feel as though you're unsure about what you did and why?
 
I think it's only because I saw a slightly different example on another page and they used a different reference frame - they had the x-axis as the actual slope, and the y-axis is the normal to the slope. I didn't fully know why they did that, because I feel like I understand it this way more.

So carrying on from where I left off (I forgot a constant of integration and accidentally had a dot above the v)

\dfrac{gt}{\tan \theta} + gt + C_1 = v

Substituting in ## v_0 ## as the initial condition:

\dfrac{g * 0}{\tan \theta} + g * 0 + C_1 = v_0

C_1 = v_0

\displaystyle \int \dfrac{gt}{\tan \theta} + \int gt + \int v_0 = \int v

\displaystyle \dfrac{gt^2}{2\tan \theta} + \dfrac{1}{2}gt^2 + v_0 t + C_2 = r

The starting position is 0, at time 0, and so ##C_2 = 0##
And so:

\displaystyle x(t) = \dfrac{gt^2}{2} (\tan \theta + 1) + v_0 t

Is that right?
 
Cogswell said:
## F = m \ddot{r} ##

## F_x + F_y + F_z = m \ddot{r} ##

## \dfrac{mg}{\tan \theta} + mg + 0 = m \ddot{r} ##
Not sure what you're doing here.

What forces act on the puck? How did you determine Fx? Fy? What about the normal force?

You cannot just add up the force components in different directions. Why not consider forces parallel to the incline.
 
Think about what everything means, your Fx is the force component acting parallel to the horizontal is that what you want?
If the x direction was said to be parallel to the incline rather than to the horizontal, as in the example you saw what would x component of the force then be?
 
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