Closed loop stabilization control - integrator circuit

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the design of a closed-loop stabilization control system for a platform using electric motors and a gyro sensor. Participants explore the integration of the gyro signal to maintain the platform's position against external forces, considering both electrical engineering and control system design aspects.

Discussion Character

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  • Technical explanation
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes a system where a platform controlled by two motors maintains its position using a gyro sensor for feedback, proposing the integration of the gyro signal to achieve this.
  • Another participant suggests that analog integrators can be constructed using reactive components and emphasizes the importance of mathematical modeling for the entire control system before implementation.
  • A different participant introduces the idea of using a proportional–integral–derivative (PID) controller and inquires about the specifications of the motors involved.
  • One participant questions whether a simple locking brake could suffice for the stabilization task.
  • Another participant discusses the need for a controller with two outputs suitable for motor drives and suggests creating a proportional controller using an operational amplifier, while also indicating that this approach may be amateurish compared to professional solutions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of ideas and approaches, with no clear consensus on the best method for implementing the control system. Multiple competing views on the design and components remain present.

Contextual Notes

Some responses indicate a lack of detailed specifications regarding the motors and gyro sensor, which may affect the feasibility of the proposed solutions. Additionally, the discussion reflects varying levels of expertise among participants, with some suggesting more professional approaches compared to amateur methods.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals interested in control systems, electrical engineering, and robotics may find this discussion relevant, particularly those looking for insights on integrating sensors and motors for stabilization applications.

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Hello all.

I have a platform that is controlled by two electric motors (one for elevation, one for rotation). During the application, I would like to have the platform maintain it's current position. I'm imagining a system where you set the position manually, and then press a button that will tell the platform to hold its current position. This is a relatively large platform with large external forces acting on it, so the motors will need to be driven to correct for changes in the platform's position.

I have an angular rate of rotation sensor (gyro) mounted on the platform. I would like to use this gyro as the feedback sensor for the system. Since the gyro outputs the angular rate of rotation (dθ/dt), if I take the integral of the gyro signal over time, and set the integral to zero, the final position will be equal to the initial position:

∫dθ/dt (from 0 to t) = θ(t)-θ(0)
If ∫dθ/dt=0, θ(t)=θ(0) (Hence, final position equal to initial position)

This is where I'm hoping some electrical engineers can help out. I seem to remember designing integrator circuits in college, but that was some time ago. Are there components I can use to take the integral of the gyro signal? Is there a way to hold the value of the integral at 0 over time?

I'm looking for any feedback. This concept seems simple to me, but if it would be difficult to implement I'm open to suggestions of another path to explore. Thanks for any and all feedback!
 
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Analog integrators can be made using reactive components. It might have been better if you searched the internet for "integrator circuit" before posting.

As for designing the entire close loop control system, perhaps this would be better accomplished by someone who better understands how to design a control system, especially considering the mass, cost, and potential danger that I associate with your equipment. I think the entire system should be modeled mathematically before implementation.
 
opmal7 said:
I have a platform that is controlled by two electric motors (one for elevation, one for rotation). During the application, I would like to have the platform maintain it's current position. I'm imagining a system where you set the position manually, and then press a button that will tell the platform to hold its current position. This is a relatively large platform with large external forces acting on it, so the motors will need to be driven to correct for changes in the platform's position. ...

I have an angular rate of rotation sensor (gyro) mounted on the platform. ...

A proportional–integral–derivative controller (PID controller) may be something to look into. What are your motor specs?
 
would just a locking brake do?
 
you have a platform to be fitted with a gyro,and want to control 2 motors to change x-y direction.

what you need a controller with two individual outputs (suitable for the drive of the motor) it is little tricky - as drives for ordinary DC motor to specilized Variable frequency drives are possible with positiner.

And the Gyro sensor to be connected to controller as process variable.

you can make your own P only controller out of opamp with a resitor slider for giving Set point to the inverting input to opamp.and another slider in feedback for gainchanging.

The output circuit should be a converter to drive the motor.

But this is ameaturist approach.

There is a better approach as professinal.but I will tell you more if you give me the details of your existing platform motors and gyro.and your intended project.
 

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