Cluster decomposition of the S-matrix

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The discussion revolves around the cluster decomposition of the S-matrix as presented in Weinberg's "Quantum Theory of Fields." Participants explore the implications of sign changes in the S-matrix terms when permuting particle labels, particularly in the context of fermionic statistics.

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Main Points Raised

  • Asger expresses confusion regarding the signs in the cluster decomposition of the S-matrix, particularly when permuting particle labels.
  • Asger proposes that permuting the labels of fermions leads to a sign change, questioning the consistency of the resulting terms.
  • Tim suggests that the number of fermions in the partitions must be considered, indicating that swapping two experiments results in the same number of fermion interchanges.
  • Asger acknowledges Tim's response, implying that the reasoning may have been overlooked in Weinberg's text.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the specific reasoning behind the sign changes, and the discussion reflects uncertainty regarding the implications of fermionic statistics in this context.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights assumptions about fermionic behavior and the interpretation of the S-matrix terms, which may not be fully articulated in Weinberg's work.

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Hi,

I am reading through Weinberg's "Quantum Theory of Fields" (vol. 1)
and I am somewhat confused about the signs in the cluster decomposition
of the S-matrix. Specifically, referring to eq. 4.3.2, let's say the term
coming from the partition
[itex]\alpha \to \alpha_1\alpha_2[/itex],[tex]\beta \to \beta_1\beta_2[/tex]
would be
[tex]+S^C_{\beta_1,\alpha_1}S^C_{\beta_2,\alpha_2}[/tex].
Lets now assume that permuting [tex]\alpha_1,\alpha_2[/tex] gives a sign, while permuting [tex]\beta_1,\beta_2[/tex] doesn't,
then the equivalent partition
[itex]\alpha \to \alpha_2\alpha_1[/itex],[tex]\beta \to \beta_2\beta_1[/tex]
would give rise to the term
[tex]-S^C_{\beta_2,\alpha_2}S^C_{\beta_1,\alpha_1}[/tex],
i.e. minus what I had before. This clearly cannot be right, but I'm not sure where
the flaw in my reasoning is. Does it have something to do with conservation
of [tex](-1)^F[/tex], where [tex]F[/tex] is the number of Fermions?

I would be grateful for any hints. And no, this is not homework :smile:, the course I'm
following is using Peskin & Schroeder.

Regards,
Asger
 
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Hi Asger! Welcome to PF! :smile:

(have an alpha: α and a beta: β and try using the X2 tag just above the Reply box :wink:)

Since αi and βi together form a separate experiment, for each i, the number of fermions in αi will be odd only if the number in βi is.

So swapping two experiments will give the same number of fermion interchanges for α as for β. :wink:
 
Hi Tim!

Thanks for the answer. I'm sure Weinberg thought that it too obvious to mention.

Regards,
Asger
 
acipsen said:
Hi Tim!

Thanks for the answer. I'm sure Weinberg thought that it too obvious to mention.

Regards,
Asger

That is Weinberg's style :) If it is too simple, he does not mention it ;)
 

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