Undergrad Coefficient of rolling friction for a lab cart

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The discussion centers on calculating the coefficient of rolling friction for a lab cart using the equation $$\mu _{r}\approx \frac{D+kr}{R}$$. This equation incorporates variables such as the distance D, the radius r, and the normal force N, which are essential for determining rolling resistance and frictional forces. The participants clarify that rolling resistance is defined as $$C_{rr} = \frac{D}{R}$$ and that the friction force can be derived from the axle-wheel contact patch. The conversation emphasizes the importance of understanding these relationships for accurate calculations in physics and engineering applications.

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This discussion is beneficial for physics students, mechanical engineers, and anyone involved in the design and analysis of rolling systems, such as lab carts and vehicles, seeking to understand the dynamics of rolling friction and resistance.

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I was looking for a way to calculate the friction arising from the axle and wheel of a standard lab cart. I came across this research paper: https://www.usna.edu/Users/physics/mungan/_files/documents/Publications/PhysEd4.pdf
That derived the following equation for the coefficient of rolling friction:
$$\mu _{r}\approx \frac{D+kr}{R}$$
for what the variables stand can be seen on the diagram shown in the article (it would be too difficult to explain this with words).
Now my problem is that I had never heard of a such thing and want able to find much on the internet that explained it in detail. I wasn't able to follow the derivation exactly, but I think some people here will find it easier to follow.
My question is: is this really a correct indicator of the friction for a cart moving down a ramp, and how can this be used to find the frictional Force? Can you just simply use the same approach as for dynamic friction for instance? (just multiplying it by the Normal Force?)

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The first part ##D /R## is usually referred to as rolling resistance. By definition (sum of moments):
$$f R = ND$$
or:
$$\frac{D}{R} = \frac{f}{N}= C_{rr}$$
Where ##C_{rr}## is the coefficient of rolling resistance. So there is no friction, but since the resistance force has a definition similar to a friction force, they are used in a similar way.

The second part ##k r/R## is the friction force from the fixed axle-wheel contact patch ##f_a = kN## as felt at wheel-road contact patch, ##f_w##. Again sum of moments:
$$f_a r = f_w R$$
or:
$$f_w = \frac{f_a r}{R}= \frac{k r}{R}N$$
So adding both of them:
$$\mu_r N = f + f_w = C_{rr}N + \frac{k r}{R}N = \frac{D}{R}N + \frac{k r}{R}N = \frac{D+k r}{R}N$$
$$\mu_r = \frac{D+k r}{R}$$
 
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@jack action, why is N off center and what distance D depend on?

@Einstein44, consider that the values of N will be different for front and rear wheels, due to the slope.
 
jack action said:
The first part ##D /R## is usually referred to as rolling resistance. By definition (sum of moments):
$$f R = ND$$
or:
$$\frac{D}{R} = \frac{f}{N}= C_{rr}$$
Where ##C_{rr}## is the coefficient of rolling resistance. So there is no friction, but since the resistance force has a definition similar to a friction force, they are used in a similar way.

The second part ##k r/R## is the friction force from the fixed axle-wheel contact patch ##f_a = kN## as felt at wheel-road contact patch, ##f_w##. Again sum of moments:
$$f_a r = f_w R$$
or:
$$f_w = \frac{f_a r}{R}= \frac{k r}{R}N$$
So adding both of them:
$$\mu_r N = f + f_w = C_{rr}N + \frac{k r}{R}N = \frac{D}{R}N + \frac{k r}{R}N = \frac{D+k r}{R}N$$
$$\mu_r = \frac{D+k r}{R}$$
Thank you! On the website you have linked in your comment above I have found the following equation:
$$F=\frac{Nb}{r}$$
Would this then give me the force due to the rolling resistance directly? That means I wouldn't need to use the equation above? Because essentially I am trying to find out the Frictional Force.
 
Lnewqban said:
@jack action, why is N off center and what distance D depend on?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolling_resistance said:
It is mainly caused by non-elastic effects; that is, not all the energy needed for deformation (or movement) of the wheel, roadbed, etc., is recovered when the pressure is removed. Two forms of this are hysteresis losses (see below), and permanent (plastic) deformation of the object or the surface (e.g. soil).

Einstein44 said:
Would this then give me the force due to the rolling resistance directly?
Normally, you used ##F = C_{rr} N## as the values of rolling resistance coefficients are usually easy to find. I never saw a source for ##b## except for the one I cited (and there are not a lot except for steel-on-steel).

The equation from the OP is usually used by more advanced designs like bearing manufacturing for research purposes.
 
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jack action said:
Normally, you used ##F = C_{rr} N## as the values of rolling resistance coefficients are usually easy to find. I never saw a source for ##b## except for the one I cited (and there are not a lot except for steel-on-steel).

The equation from the OP is usually used by more advanced designs like bearing manufacturing for research purposes.
Yes, I understand what you wrote. However, I feel like this mainly applies to wheels that deform on the surface, such as a deflated tire for example (correct me if I'm wrong), so how can you apply any equation to find the Frictional Force for basically a hard wheel on another surface? (besides approximating D from the first equation to be zero, due to no deformation of the wheel)
 
Every material deforms, none are purely inelastic. For example, a railroad steel wheel on a steel rail has ##C_{rr}= 0.0003##. This means that for a wheel with a 12" radius, the distance ##D## is 0.0036" or equivalent to about the diameter of a hair!
 
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Einstein44 said:
Yes, I understand what you wrote. However, I feel like this mainly applies to wheels that deform on the surface, such as a deflated tire for example (correct me if I'm wrong), so how can you apply any equation to find the Frictional Force for basically a hard wheel on another surface? (besides approximating D from the first equation to be zero, due to no deformation of the wheel)
If the surface is soft you have a dent, and the normal forces on this slopes have a net backwards component.

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