Coherent scattering in BCS semicon?

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The discussion revolves around the possibility of coherent light scattering in BCS superconductors, specifically whether light can scatter from the collective state of many Cooper pairs rather than from individual pairs or electrons. The inquiry touches on theoretical implications and experimental observations related to superconductivity and optical spectroscopy.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions if light can scatter off the coherent state of many Cooper pairs in a superconductor, suggesting that this could involve the collective momentum and energy of multiple electrons.
  • Another participant clarifies that optical spectroscopy in superconductors typically involves reflected light and Kramers-Kronig transformations to obtain information on supercurrent density.
  • A participant speculates that the collective momentum of the supercurrent could lead to significant deflection of low-energy photons, potentially allowing for control over the direction of reflected light.
  • One participant states that scattering experiments typically involve many photons interacting with many Cooper pairs, rather than single photon interactions.
  • A participant emphasizes the distinction between scattering off a single Cooper pair and scattering off the coherent state of all Cooper pairs, likening it to phenomena observed in Bose-Einstein condensates (BECs).
  • Another participant notes that while scattering off all carriers occurs, it is possible to identify signatures related to those involved in superconductivity, referencing existing literature on the topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of light scattering in superconductors, with some emphasizing the collective behavior of Cooper pairs while others focus on the experimental methods and existing literature. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific mechanisms and implications of coherent scattering.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the assumptions made about the interactions between photons and Cooper pairs, as well as the dependence on definitions of coherence and collective states. The discussion does not resolve the complexities of these interactions or the experimental conditions required.

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Hello experts,

I've had some fun reading the posts in the various forums, and now it's time for me to ask a question.

Is it possible to scatter light off of a BCS semiconductor such that the light can be considered to scatter from the coherent state of many Cooper pairs, rather than just one pair or one electron? I would think this would be an interesting phenomenon, as the kinematics of the scattering would involve the large collective momentum and energy of many electrons.

Thank you for your time.
 
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What is a "BCS semiconductor"?

Not that in a superconductor, optical spectroscopy measurements are typically done by collecting the reflected light. Comparing this to the original incoming light and using Kramers-Kronig transformation, one can obtain the transmitted component. This component can give you information on the supercurrent density, etc.

Zz.
 
Oops, what a horrible typo... My apologies. I meant superconductor, obviously.

So, just to clarify--any individual collision would be between one photon and *all* of the supercurrent? I ask because, in that case, it seems the collective momentum of all particles in the supercurrent (2*N*me*vdrift, where N is the large number of Cooper pairs and me is the electron mass) might overwhelm the momentum of a low-energy (say, red visible) photon and cause a large deflection. And then it would seem that you can choose the direction of the reflected light by changing the direction of the supercurrent.

(Assuming, of course, that the photon can penetrate to the supercurrent and surface states don't cause a problem.)
 
One never does a "single photon scatters of a cooper pair". I've never seen such an experiment.

What has been done is the scattering of a lot of photons with a lot of cooper pairs (and other "normal electrons") in a superconductor. That experiment has been done.

Zz.
 
Ah, I think there is some confusion. I'm not talking about scattering off a single Cooper pair, but off of the coherent state of *all* of the Cooper pairs in the supercurrent.

Once the Cooper pairs have condensed into the ground state, they form a single coherent state, similar to a BEC. And in a BEC, as I understand it (and I may be wrong), one can scatter light from this entire state.

The reason I find this interesting, is that the momentum of this one coherent state, when in a supercurrent, must be large or comparable to that of a visible photon, since it has the mass of many many electrons.

Or am I so far off base that I'm completely incomprehensible to everyone reading? :redface:
 
But isn't this what I've said. You essentially scatter off all the carriers, but you can look for signatures of scattering off those that are involved in superconductivity.

There are many papers that do this, and are able to extract the superfluid density. You may want to look, for example, at this paper:

http://arxiv.org/abs/cond-mat/0410719

Zz.
 

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