Comparing Concentrations in a 0.10 M H2SO4 Solution

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The discussion revolves around the concentrations of various species in a 0.10 M H2SO4 solution, specifically comparing [H3O+], [OH-], [HSO4-], and [SO4(-2)]. Participants explore the implications of acid dissociation and equilibrium in this context.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that [HSO4-] is equal to [SO4-2], although they express uncertainty about this claim.
  • Another participant asserts that [H3O+] is in major concentration due to H2SO4 being a strong acid, while [OH-] is in minor concentration.
  • A participant explains that the acidity constant (Ka) of HSO4- is less than 1, indicating that the equilibrium lies to the left, suggesting that [HSO4-] is greater than [SO4-2].
  • Further elaboration is provided on the concept of equilibrium and how the acidity constant influences the concentrations of the ions present.
  • One participant requests clarification on the explanation regarding the acidity constant and equilibrium.
  • Another participant expresses gratitude for the clarification and indicates they understand the concept better.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the major concentration of [H3O+] and the minor concentration of [OH-]. However, there is disagreement regarding the relationship between [HSO4-] and [SO4-2], with no consensus reached on their relative concentrations.

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The discussion includes references to equilibrium constants and their dependence on concentrations, but does not resolve the specific values or relationships between the concentrations discussed.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for students or individuals interested in acid-base chemistry, particularly those studying the behavior of strong acids and their dissociation in solution.

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in a solution of 0.10 M H2SO4 , list these concentrations in order of the greatest to smallest: [H3O+], [OH-], [HSO4-], and [SO4(-2)]

the answer showed that none of those concentrations is equal to others, but i got [HSO4-]=[SO4-2] (eventhough I'm not quite sure)

could you help me out ?

thanks a lot
 
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OH- is clearly in minor concentration.
H3O+ is clearly in major concentration, since H2SO4 is a very strong acid.
I think we agree here.
BaO said:
the answer showed that none of those concentrations is equal to others, but i got [HSO4-]=[SO4-2] (eventhough I'm not quite sure)

Since the acidity constant of HSO4- is < 1, then the following reaction is far to the left:

HSO4- + H2O <--> SO42- + H3O+

So, the concentration of HSO4- is greater than the concentration of SO42-.

I hope I was helpful to you.

:approve: :-p
 
PPonte said:
Since the acidity constant of HSO4- is < 1,
i don't get this part , could you please explain it more?
 
BaO said:
i don't get this part , could you please explain it more?
In this reaction we have an equilibrium thus;

[tex]HSO_{4}^{-}_{(aq)} + H_{2}O_{(l)} \rightleftharpoons SO_{4}^{2-}_{(aq)} + H_{3}O^{+}_{(aq)}[/tex]

Now any reaction at equilibrium has what is called an equilibrium constant, which in this case is the acidity constant Ka. This constant determines the position of the equilibrium and is temperature dependent. If Ka is high (in the case of a strong acid), then the acid has a strong tendency to dissociate and thus the equilibrium will lie to the right. However, in this case Ka is low (<<1 as the PPonte points out) therefore the equilibrium lies to the far left. Hence, at equilibrium the majority of the ions present will be the HSO4- as opposed to the HSO4- and the oxonium ions.

Further, the Ka is dependent on the concentrations of the products and reactants (water is ignored as it is in excess); the square brackets '[]' denote that we are considering concentrations;

[tex]K_{a} = \frac{\left[ H_{3}O^{+}_{(aq)} \right] \left[ SO_{4}^{2-}_{(aq)} \right]}{\left[ HSO_{4}^{-}_{(aq)} \right]}[/tex]

Now, we can see here that if Ka is < 1, then the concentration of the HSO4- ion must be greater than the others.

Further Reading
  • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PKa" (Wikipedia)
  • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equilibrium_constant" (Wikipedia)
 
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Thank you, Hootenanny, for clarifying my explanation. I shouldn't do it so synthetic.
:approve: :-p
 
i think i get it , thanks a lot everyone :biggrin:
just one more question: how did you type Ka or H3O+ ... on computer?
 

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