Completely inelastic collision

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The problem involves a completely inelastic collision scenario where car A collides with car B, which in turn pushes car C. The cars are initially at rest and identical. The main question revolves around determining the fraction of initial energy dissipated in car C during the collisions.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • The original poster attempts to apply conservation of momentum and energy principles but questions their calculations when comparing their results to an answer sheet. Some participants discuss the energy lost in each collision, suggesting that the understanding of the term "dissipate" may have caused confusion.

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Participants are exploring the implications of energy loss in the context of multiple collisions. There is an acknowledgment of differing interpretations of terms used in the problem, and some guidance is provided regarding the distinction between energy dissipation and transmission.

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The discussion highlights potential language barriers affecting comprehension of the problem's terminology. Participants are also considering the implications of multiple collisions on energy calculations.

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This is a problem I have thought about for a long time without any progress. Please give me a hint.

Homework Statement



Cars B and C are at rest with their brakes off. Car A plows into B at high speed, pushing B into C. If the collisions are completely inelastic, what fraction of the initial energy is dissipated in car C? Initially the cars are identical.

Homework Equations



[tex]p_{i}=p_{f}[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution



The momentum is conserved and since it is a completely inelastic collision the cars are stuck to each other with velocity v, different from the initial velocity v0. [tex]mv_{0}=3mv[/tex] and [tex]v=\frac{v_{0}}{3}[/tex] and for car C
[tex]\frac{E_{C}}{E_{0}}=\frac{(v_{0}/3)^{2}}{v_{0}^{2}}=\frac{1}{9}.[/tex] Unfortunately the answer in my answer sheet is 1/6. What is wrong?
 
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Order said:
This is a problem I have thought about for a long time without any progress. Please give me a hint.


The momentum is conserved and since it is a completely inelastic collision the cars are stuck to each other with velocity v, different from the initial velocity v0. [tex]mv_{0}=3mv[/tex] and [tex]v=\frac{v_{0}}{3}[/tex] and for car C
[tex]\frac{E_{C}}{E_{0}}=\frac{(v_{0}/3)^{2}}{v_{0}^{2}}=\frac{1}{9}.[/tex] Unfortunately the answer in my answer sheet is 1/6. What is wrong?

The final mass is 3m moving at speed v0/3.

[tex]E_f = \frac{1}{2}3m\left(\frac{v_0}{3}\right)^2[/tex]

So 2/3 of the energy is lost in the collisions. But there are two collisions:
The first is between A and B. What is the energy lost in that collision? The rest is lost in the second.AM
 
Ok, so 1/2 of the energy is lost in the first collision and 1/6 in the second with a total loss of 2/3. My problem was that I did not understand the word dissipate. Maybe transmit was the word I confused it with? (My english is not so good, so I don't know.) So I guess my calculation was correct but not asked for. Thanks anyway Andrew.
 
Order said:
Ok, so 1/2 of the energy is lost in the first collision and 1/6 in the second with a total loss of 2/3. My problem was that I did not understand the word dissipate. Maybe transmit was the word I confused it with? (My english is not so good, so I don't know.) So I guess my calculation was correct but not asked for. Thanks anyway Andrew.
I can see why you may have been confused. Dissipated can mean dispersed. Part of the initial kinetic energy is dispersed from one to three cars. But in this context dissipated refers to the loss of kinetic energy.

AM
 

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