Completing the square / Changing format of equation

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The discussion revolves around the method of completing the square to rewrite quadratic equations in the form y = a(x - p)² + q. Participants are examining specific equations, including y = x² + 6x and y = -2x² + 8x + 5, and expressing uncertainty about the process, particularly regarding the negative sign in the second equation.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants are attempting to understand how to manipulate the given quadratic equations into the desired format. Some are questioning how to handle the negative sign in the second equation and are exploring the implications of rewriting the equations. Others suggest using graphical representations to aid understanding and discuss the necessary adjustments to the equations.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing insights and corrections. Some have provided partial guidance on rewriting the equations, while others are still seeking clarification on specific steps and concepts involved in completing the square.

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Participants express a lack of confidence in their understanding of the method, particularly in relation to the negative coefficients in the equations. There is an emphasis on the need to manipulate the equations carefully to maintain equivalence while transitioning to the standard form.

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I'm supposed to use the method of completeing the square to write an equation in the form [tex]y = a(x - p)^{2} + q[/tex].

Here's one of the equations: [tex]y = x^{2} + 6x[/tex]
and another: [tex]y = -2x^{2} + 8x + 5[/tex]

I really don't know where to start, which is why I can't include any work... The main problem here is I don't know how to get the equation in the [tex](x - p)^{2}[/tex] format. I can complete the square but its the - sign that's throwing me off.
If someone could just explain how to go about doing this it would be greatly appreciated.
 
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danielle36 said:
I'm supposed to use the method of completeing the square to write an equation in the form [tex]y = a(x - p)^{2} + q[/tex].

Here's one of the equations: [tex]y = x^{2} + 6x[/tex]
and another: [tex]y = -2x^{2} + 8x + 5[/tex]

I really don't know where to start, which is why I can't include any work... The main problem here is I don't know how to get the equation in the [tex](x - p)^{2}[/tex] format. I can complete the square but its the - sign that's throwing me off.
If someone could just explain how to go about doing this it would be greatly appreciated.

there's a completeing the square formula but the first one is very obvious so i'll do it for you

it'll be easier to see if you rewrite this
[tex]y = (ax^2-2xp +p^2) -p^2[/tex]
then your first problem is

[tex]y = x^{2} + 6x + 9 - 9 = (x^2 +3)^2 - 9[/tex]
 
danielle36,

Other messages have mentioned this; but if you could find a graphical representation of Completing The Square, you will probably understand the process very well. The idea of converting the equation from general form into standard form will require subtracting the "piece" that you add in order for the expression to be equivalent to the original expression.
 
ice109 said:
[tex]y = x^{2} + 6x + 9 - 9 = (x^2 +3)^2 - 9[/tex]

...just fixing a typo. the last x should not be squared on the far RHS
[tex] (x+3)^2-9[/tex]
 
(x-a)2= x2- 2ax+ a2

If you want to change x2- 6x to a perfect square what must "a" be? You know that -6x= -2ax.

-2x2+ 8x+ 5 is a little harder. Write it as -2(x2- 4x)+ 5. Now look just at the x2- 4x. Remembering that -2ax= -4x, what is a? What is a2? Add and subtract a2 inside the parentheses and then take part outside the parentheses.
 
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