How Do the Roots of Complex Numbers Vary in Distribution?

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The discussion centers on the distribution of roots for complex numbers, specifically examining the roots of w^4 = -8 + i8√3. The initial assumption was that the roots would be evenly distributed on the Argand diagram, but the actual roots calculated were √3 + i, -1 + √3i, 1 - √3i, and -√3 - i, indicating a different distribution. A contrasting example showed evenly spread roots for a different complex number, raising questions about the conditions for even distribution. The conversation highlights the importance of understanding how to determine root distribution and the use of trigonometric identities in finding roots. The inquiry concludes with a suggestion to simplify using cosine properties instead of complex numbers.
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say we had a complex number w^4 such that w^4 = -8 +i8\sqrt{3} so w = 2(cos(\frac{\pi}{6} + \frac{k\pi}{2}) + isin(\frac{\pi}{6} + \frac{k\pi}{2})) where k is an integer

in a question I was asked to find the roots of w, as there will be 4 my first assumption is that the roots would be spread throughout the argand diagram, i.e the first root would be \sqrt{3} + i and the second would be -\sqrt{3} + i and so on till I get the 4 roots. However this is not the case, as if I substitute values for k, I get the roots to be \sqrt{3} + i, -1 + \sqrt{3}i, 1 - \sqrt{3}i, -\sqrt{3} - i which is actually correct.

However in the question below, the roots do seem to be spread evenly:


Prove that cos\frac{\pi}{12} = m and sin\frac{\pi}{12} = n, where m = \frac{\sqrt{3} + 1}{2\sqrt{2}} and n = \frac{\sqrt{3} -1}{2\sqrt{2}}
Hence find in terms of m and n, in the form a + ib, where a,b are real, the fourth roots of 4(cos(\frac{\pi}{3}) + isin(\frac{\pi}{3}))

the first root is z = \sqrt{2}m + i\sqrt{2}n second -\sqrt{2}m + i\sqrt{2}n and so on...

why is it in one question the 4 roots are not spread evenly and I have to adjust k to find the roots, while in the other they are spread evenly. How do I spot whether or not they will be spread evenly?

thanks,
 
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hi phospho! :smile:

the fourth (or nth) roots of any number w4 (or wn)will be w times any fourth (or nth) root of 1 :wink:

ie w, iw, i2w (= -w), and i3w (= -iw)

(so this is wrong …)
phospho said:
Hence find in terms of m and n, in the form a + ib, where a,b are real, the fourth roots of 4(cos(\frac{\pi}{3}) + isin(\frac{\pi}{3}))

the first root is z = \sqrt{2}m + i\sqrt{2}n second -\sqrt{2}m + i\sqrt{2}n
 
tiny-tim said:
hi phospho! :smile:

the fourth (or nth) roots of any number w4 (or wn)will be w times any fourth (or nth) root of 1 :wink:

ie w, iw, i2w (= -w), and i3w (= -iw)

(so this is wrong …)

I have the answers in front of me, and they have the same roots that I gave above.
 
Why don't you simply halve cosine twice? To be more precise, \cos(\pi/3)=1/2 and we have the half-angle formula \cos^2(x)=\frac{\cos(2x)+1}{2}. Applying it twice should give you \cos(\pi/12), without the need of complex numbers at all.
 
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