Component of the quadrupole Q_ij

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The discussion revolves around understanding the relationship between the components of the quadrupole moment Q_ij and the spatial distribution of the electric quadrupole field, particularly in the context of visual representations found in a specific lecture slide. Participants seek clarification on how to interpret these components and their implications for the electric field configuration.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in visualizing the connection between Q_ij and the electric quadrupole field, referencing an ellipsoid representation of the quadrupole strength.
  • Another participant mentions the azimuthal gradient of the potential V(r,θ,φ) and provides a mathematical expression related to it.
  • There is a request for clarification on how the gradient relates to the indices i and j in the context of the quadrupole components.
  • Participants discuss the specific slide from the lecture notes, with one noting that it depicts equipotential lines of a linear electric quadrupole.
  • Concerns are raised about the lack of information on labeling axes in the referenced plot, which complicates understanding the representation.
  • A participant notes that the plot combines gradient information and equipotential lines, highlighting the four-fold symmetry characteristic of a quadrupole field.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants appear to share a common interest in the same graphical representation but express differing levels of understanding regarding its implications and labeling. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the precise relationship between the quadrupole components and the visual representation.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not reached consensus on how to interpret the axes of the plot or the specific implications of the gradient in relation to the quadrupole components. There are also unresolved questions about the conditions under which the gradient \nabla_k Q_ij equals zero.

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Hello,

I do not manage to visualize the link between the component of the quadrupole Q_ij and the spatial distribution of the electric quadrupole field.

I was told to imagine the Q_ij as an ellipsoid, which I understand (the ellipsoid "radius" in a given direction being the strength of the quadrupole along this direction). Yet what is the link between the Q_ij and the usual representation in Slide 12 of this file?:
cems.uvm.edu/~oughstun/LectureNotes141/Topic_09%20%28ElectrostaticMultipoles%29.pdf

In particular, I want to find out when does the gradient \nabla_k Q_ij equal zero? When i,j =! k ?

Pleeeease, help!
 
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The azimuthal gradient of V(r,θ,[itex]\varphi[/itex]) in slide 11 is proportional to [itex]\frac{d}{d\theta}\left(3\cos^2\theta-1 \right)=6\sin\theta\cos\theta=3\sin\left(2\theta \right)[/itex]
 


Thank you for commenting, but how does this translate to the i and j ?
 


ellocomateo said:
Thank you for commenting, but how does this translate to the i and j ?
Perhaps you and I are looking at different slides and/or files. I am looking at slide 12 of the file
www.cems.uvm.edu/~oughstun/LectureNotes141/Topic_09%20%28ElectrostaticMultipoles%29.pdf
which is a plot of the equipotential lines of V(r,θ,φ) of a linear electric quadrupole.
 
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We are looking on the same graph, but I still do not see how I should label the axes.
There is no information whatsoever on this point. Or at least I do not see it.
 


The plot is a combination of the gradient and the equipotential lines of V(r,θ,φ) using r and z as axes. The four-fold symmetry indicates it is a quadrupole field.
 

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