Compression force in current loop in magnetic field

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The problem involves determining the compression force in a wire loop subjected to a magnetic field while carrying a current. The magnetic field is directed into the page, and the current flows anti-clockwise in a loop of radius 'a'.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to calculate the force on a differential element of the loop and considers the vertical components of the forces. They express confusion regarding the net force being zero and question their basic assumptions. Other participants suggest a different approach using tension and provide insights into resolving forces along different directions.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the relationship between tension and the forces involved, but there is no explicit consensus on the correct approach or resolution of the original poster's confusion.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating assumptions about the nature of forces in the loop and the implications of changing the direction of the current. The original poster expresses uncertainty about their reasoning and seeks clarification on the concepts involved.

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Homework Statement


Please check the enclosed figure.
Find the force of compression in the wire loop.
Magnetic field B is directed into the page and current i is flowing anti-clockwise. The radius of the wire loop is 'a'.


Homework Equations



\vec{F}=i\vec{l}\times\vec{B}

The Attempt at a Solution


I first took a component dl and calculated force on it. It came out to be Bidl towards center. That, in angular form, is Biadθ.
Now, as force of compression is asked, I thought that I will have to consider vertical components of that force only. So, I took two dls and I resolved forces on them. I have elaborated in the figure. Horizontals (I am saying horizontals and verticals because they appear like that in the figure) cancel out and what I get is 2Biacosθdθ. Integrating over 0 to 2π gets you zero.
I gave it a thought and it occurred to me that this might be so because net force is zero, just like when you press a pen from both ends towards its center. Then tried it by cutting the wire in semicircles and trying to find effective force towards the center and doubling it (again thinking of a pen, like if you apply 5N from each end, net compressive force is 10N). I did it pretty much the same way, only in vain. Now, something is going wrong in my basic assumptions, I think, but what exactly I don't know. Help me.
 

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the compression force is simply T=iaB because
Tdθ=iaBdθ
 
Could you please explain in more detail?
 
sorry for late reply,but there is a thing which you can derive.whenever there is a motion of a chain or string in any curved path then you can resolve the forces along normal and perpendicular to the normal ,these are Tdθ and dT respectively also accompanied by other forces to obtain eqn of motion.In this case compressive force is uniform because there is no tangential force so dT=0,and along the normal it is 2TSindθ/2 which is Tdθ.if the sense of current is changed then force is tensile in nature.
 

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