Compute circulation of vector around the contour

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The problem involves computing the circulation of the vector field \(\mathbf{a} = y\mathbf{i} + x^2\mathbf{j} - z\mathbf{k}\) around a specified contour \(L\) defined by the equation \(x^2 + y^2 = 4\) at a constant \(z = 3\). The original poster attempts to solve the problem both directly and using Stokes' Theorem.

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Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster initially calculates the left side of the circulation integral and reports obtaining 0, then questions the correct form of \(\nabla f\) for the Stokes' Theorem application.
  • Some participants clarify the definition of the curl operator \(\nabla \times \mathbf{F}\) and discuss the necessity of finding a unit normal vector for the surface integral.
  • There are inquiries about the correctness of the computed circulation value of -4π and the approach for part b of the problem.
  • Participants discuss the choice of the unit normal vector and its orientation in relation to the contour.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing clarifications on definitions and approaches. There is no explicit consensus on the final outcomes, but guidance has been offered regarding the use of the curl and the orientation of the normal vector.

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Participants are navigating the definitions and applications of vector calculus concepts, particularly in relation to Stokes' Theorem, while also addressing potential mistakes in calculations. The problem context includes specific constraints regarding the contour and the surface defined by \(z = 3\).

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Homework Statement



Compute the circulation of the vector a = yi+x2j - zk around the contour L: {x2 +y2 = 4; z = 3}, a) directly and b) via the Stokes Theorem.
Plot the contour and show its orientation.

Homework Equations



Stokes theorem is \ointF.dr = \int∇ X F . n dS

The Attempt at a Solution



For (a) which is solving it directly, i used the left side of the equation \ointF.dr and I obtained 0 as my answer. Having problem with part b. What should my ∇f be? Is it 2x i + 2y j + 0 k?
 
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No, it isn't. Don't you know how nabla\times \vec{F} is defined? If \vec{F}= f(x,y,z)\vec{i}+ g(x,y,z)\vec{j}+ h(x,y,z)\vec{k} then
\nabla\times \vec{F}= \left(\frac{\partial h}{\partial y}- \frac{\partial g}{\partial z}\right)\vec{i}-\left(\frac{\partial h}{\partial x}- \frac{\partial f}{\partial z}\right)\vec{j}+ \left(\frac{\partial g}{\partial x}- \frac{\partial f}{\partial y}\right)\vec{k}
 
HallsofIvy said:
No, it isn't. Don't you know how nabla\times \vec{F} is defined? If \vec{F}= f(x,y,z)\vec{i}+ g(x,y,z)\vec{j}+ h(x,y,z)\vec{k} then
\nabla\times \vec{F}= \left(\frac{\partial h}{\partial y}- \frac{\partial g}{\partial z}\right)\vec{i}-\left(\frac{\partial h}{\partial x}- \frac{\partial f}{\partial z}\right)\vec{j}+ \left(\frac{\partial g}{\partial x}- \frac{\partial f}{\partial y}\right)\vec{k}

Yes I know that. But to obtain a unit normal vector n, i need to first find \frac{∇f}{|∇f|} , isn't it?

Anyway, I managed to find a mistake I made for the left hand side, and obtained my answer as -4pi. Mind guiding me through for the right hand side?
 
How did you get -4pi? Also, did you manage to finish part b?
 
princessme said:
Yes I know that. But to obtain a unit normal vector n, i need to first find \frac{∇f}{|∇f|} , isn't it?

No.

The unit normal vector ##\mathbf n## is normal to the surface inside the contour.
The obvious choice for that surface is in the plane z=3, bounded by a circle.
The unit normal vector to that plane is ##\mathbf n = \mathbf k##.

So first you have to determine ##\nabla \times \mathbf a##, and then you have to take the dot product with ##\mathbf n = \mathbf k##.
 
How do you know it's "k" and not negative "k"
 
dan38 said:
How do you know it's "k" and not negative "k"

You can choose the direction.
The consequence is that for the contour integral you have to follow the contour according to the right hand rule.
 

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